[Geminidog]

So your saying women have zero advantages over men? That absolutely none exist or has ever existed?

Out of all possible advantages (let's say 1000 in total) your saying men hold 100% of all these advantages and women can't even hold one advantage?

What in your mind is more realistic?

[carlisle_]

I'm saying what's the point of even keeping score when the odds are so stacked against women. Your complaints are entirely anecdotal, meanwhile it's very easy to point at empirical data showing how women are treated poorly.

If you wanna line up your complaints alongside mountains of empirical evidence showing how women are disenfranchised repeatedly feel free, just don't expect people to take you seriously when you call yourself a feminist.

If you actually want to call yourself a legitimate feminist you should spend more time listening and learning. It might make you actually feel silly to complain about how men are treated in tech.

[Geminidog]

>Your complaints are entirely anecdotal, meanwhile it's very easy to point at empirical data showing how women are treated poorly.

Show me the data for this specific case of horizontal movement in engineering organizations for women and you have an argument that can change my view.

>If you actually want to call yourself a legitimate feminist you should spend more time listening and learning. It might make you actually feel silly to complain about how men are treated in tech.

I am listening and learning. Show me your data. <-- that is literally a call for you to prove your points so that I can "listen and learn"

>I'm saying what's the point of even keeping score when the odds are so stacked against women.

Who's keeping score? I'm just bringing up one specific case of unfair treatment. I never tried to turn this into a battle of "which sex is treated more unfairly"

[carlisle_]

You wanna get educated go educate yourself. I'm frankly pretty disgusted by your posts and don't have the patience to educate somebody who is stubborn and unwilling to consider other perspectives.