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by pjhyett 5494 days ago
> For example, I didn't contact github because I knew one of the peole working there was in on the joke.

For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it. You should have emailed us and we would have taken care of it without a holiday weekend filled with unnecessary drama.
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jasonlotito 5494 days ago
> For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it.

What it looks like from an outsider: He said, (s)he said.

I don't know if Zed is right. I don't know if you are right. What I do know is Zed Shaw ranted and got stuff fixed. Apparently, their was some merit to what he was saying, and at least the majority of his story can confirmed to be true. As for the employee, it's just as easy for you to be misinformed or simply ignorant of the truth as it is for Zed to be wrong. No malice, just mistaken.

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davidw 5494 days ago
Here's another data point: when Zed went off on Debian, he was either really mistaken or simply imagining things that have no connection with reality.

> This is what Debian maintainers are doing, but there's a very specific reason why they do this and it's not a "culture clash". It's embrace and extend which they probably learned from Microsoft. You see, if you have to adapt your software and processes to their weird layout and packages, then you can't get off their platform. It is sadly pure business and has nothing to do with open source, quality, or culture.

> It's simply a tactic to make sure that you are stuck on Debian.

Whether you like Debian and agree with their technical decisions, or not, it's a non-profit completely based on open-source code. There is no business, and there is no motivation to lock you in to Debian, and there is no desire to do so, either. Complaining about Debian in technical terms is fine; making stuff up about the project is beyond the pale.

After that episode, I became much more inclined to take what Zed has to say with a large grain of salt.

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jasonlotito 5494 days ago
> After that episode, I became much more inclined to take what Zed has to say with a large grain of salt.

Like I said, it's essentially a he said, she said match. github, if anything, let themselves get pulled into it. Just fix the problem and move on. The only they've done is make note of what they disagree with (and frankly, their denials don't match up with what Zed accused anyways).

I learned a long time ago that as a company, you should avoid getting into a pissing contest on the forums.

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