[Cthulhu_]

Give a user a choice though, and they dismiss the update notification because it's naggy and annoying and usually involves restarting your app or OS (I'm mainly thinking of operating systems here).

Microsoft went in hard / aggressively and are forcing update installs and restarts, which IMO is going the wrong direction.

Wasn't there a Linux project where they could update the OS / kernel without a restart? I feel like this is what all OSes should aim for. I like to think Android is going in one direction, moving shared libraries (Play Services) outside of the core OS so it can be updated independently.

[TeMPOraL]

> Give a user a choice though, and they dismiss the update notification because it's naggy and annoying and usually involves restarting your app or OS (I'm mainly thinking of operating systems here).

...or because it doesn't justify its right to be there. As a user, the updates mean to me a high probability of getting more bloated, less usable app with important functionality moved or missing. The security implications are abstract. The usability impact is real.

[unhammer]

> Wasn't there a Linux project where they could update the OS / kernel without a restart?

Ubuntu? Last time I updated, they asked me if I wanted to start using Livepatch, so it seems pretty integrated: https://ubuntu.com/security/livepatch

(though I'm horrible at noticing the critical battery warnings so I get frequent reboots for free – but that method wouldn't work on Windows which installs updates on shutdown!)

[simias]

Windows is in an even worse position because of NTFS file locking shenanigans. A lot of the time you can't even update the userspace without rebooting.

[krageon]

> update the OS / kernel without a restart

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_live_patching