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The same MSNBC that shat on AOC up till it was obvious she was going to be a progressive darling/favorite among a portion of MSNBC viewers, mocked Ron Paul repeatedly*, and have never covered Bernie Sanders close to the way they cover the Democratic establishment? MSNBC is nothing like the lefts Fox.

I completely agree with the point of hating the “other” guy’s news. I don’t think the vast majority of people distrust mainstream media. At least not their favorite outlets. NYT being beloved by a lot of my friends as one easy glaring example of typical highly educated well paid “liberal coastal elites”

* principled progressives/hard left have quite a bit in common with principled libertarians. Ron Paul being one. Not his son though. Chapo Traphouse for example can recognize Ron Paul being legit. Or Jon Stewart for a more mainstream example.

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Trump supporters feel the same way about Fox that you feel about MSNBC. That’s why there’s OAN.

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Most of those supporters still support Fox though, no? How many are actually against Fox, never watch it, and advocate against it?

Perhaps that number is bigger than I’m imagining, but I doubt it. Edgy comments online saying Fox sucks for a week because they didn’t do a good enough job isn’t the same thing. That’s still on Fox’s side.

I don’t think the comparison is the same. Maybe for Democracy Now and some progressive YouTuber/online shows.

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> Most of those supporters still support Fox though, no? How many are actually against Fox, never watch it, and advocate against it?

Seems like a lot. That's why OAN and Newsmax grew so fast.

> I don’t think the comparison is the same. Maybe for Democracy Now and some progressive YouTuber/online shows.

Democracy Now and TYT are the progressive version of OAN/Newsmax. MSNBC is the progressive version of Fox.

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From minor anecdotal musings of conservatives I know, they will sometimes say negative things about Fox and be more pro OAN/Newsmax, but they aren’t principally opposed to Fox or hate it out right.

TYT and Democracy Now overlap, but TYT is almost purely neoliberal stuff. Perhaps I don’t understand the nuance between OAN/Newsmax though.

It’s not hard to dislike MSNBC and not watch it while being into Democracy Now. It makes sense. If you’re into Chapo Trap House, you’re completely opposed to MSNBC.

You can see the differences just from seeing how Reddit’s Ohanion did a classic neoliberal move weeks before Chapo’s ban of saying his board seat should go to a minority. A move MSNBC would say congrats, work accomplished to. Unlike progressives.

You can also see the general difference of how things are viewed based on the attention The Donald subreddit got for their ban vs Chapo. Trump’s subreddit was a 4-5x bigger, but took up almost all the news cycle vs the other subreddits.

It’s not as simple as Democracy Now on left is a mirror of Newsmax on the right.

Either way, we are mostly in agreement. We are talking about details vs any bigger disagreement.

Cheers