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by WalterBright 1964 days ago
The idea of prisons should be to simply keep people away from society so they cannot harm others. There's no need to heap punishment on top of that. That's medieval and doesn't belong in modern civilization.
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> That's medieval and doesn't belong in modern civilization.

The concept of retribution as justice goes far back beyond medieval, to at least the Bronze Age (see Hammurabi).

In addition, it seems a common component across cultures. The utilitarian view is by no means nearly as universal.

Here is a modern example: every few years you hear about some former Nazi Concentration Camp guard that was arrested. From a utilitarian point of view it is completely useless. The old guard is never ever going to take part in anything like that again. However, from a justice as retribution for misdeeds, it make perfect sense.

Or if someone kills his wife in a passion crime, along that logic, what is the point of jailing him then? He doesn’t have another wife to kill and so there is no further harm to society expected. So he should walk free if the only objective is no further harm to society.

Punishment achieves fairness and deterrence.

It's part of modern civilization for the same reason people enjoy it when the bad guy gets punished at the end of a movie. This is the essence of justice, whether you have the stomach to face it or not.
I enjoy watching movies as much as anyone, but that doesn't transfer into enjoying people being hurt/punished in real life. I'm happy to leave my darker impulses behind when exiting the theater.
You can't leave them behind and I'm sure you've wanted someone punished for some misdeeds they've committed. This isn't a bad thing and is an overwhelmingly natural response.
I know it's a natural response. But it's uncivilized.
Those impulses are the reason we care to investigate crimes, capture criminals, put them on trial, and then punish them.

So I wouldn't call them dark.