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by jjj123 1961 days ago
Could it be the extreme wealth and extreme poverty that the Bay Area has? We have California’s highest levels of income inequality, not sure how we compare with the rest of the us [1].

1: https://www.kqed.org/news/11799308/bay-area-has-highest-inco...

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What are you saying? These people are stealing and pointing guns at people only because they feel it's "unfair" that other people have more money than they do?
I think that's part of it. Imagine doing demanding or demeaning labor all day and making a tenth of what the guy spending 7-8 hours a day typing on a computer and playing Ping Pong makes. That would certainly seem unfair to me. Can't afford nice stuff, but you could take it...

On top of that, SF refuses to punish crimes like theft, so...

I can assure you, the people who are robbing electronics stores are not the ones serving lattes or driving ubers. SF has a huge issue with career criminals. And it’s easy to be one. I have never seen such blatant drug dealing and robbery in my life, and I have lived in supposedly “dangerous” cities outside of the US.
Maybe they are drug addicts and criminals because they don't want to do hard work for low pay.
I am sure that’s part of it. Minimum wage jobs are hard. But there are plenty of people who work hard jobs or come from hard situations without turning to crime. Sf does it’s best to make crime and drugs an appealing option when the law isn’t enforced.
Assume that is true, what do you do when they pull a gun, pay them more?
I think it's more productive to think about what you'd do in the typical case.
I doubt that the people doing the robbery do demeaning or dema ding labor all day.

They are probably career criminals or drug addicts or both. It seems that those groups flourish in such neighborhoods in SF.

And how does one become a career criminal or a drug addict? Not saying it's the only cause, but poverty and societal dysfunction definitely play a major role.
That's true. I totally agree. I was just thinking that most of the hard-working poor people should not get lumped in with the criminals.

But I think it's important to point out the strong link between crime and poverty. And personally I think that the best ways to address crime start with addressing structural inequality.

I also personally think we should have a lot more mental institutions rather than relying on prisons or just letting everyone with problems fend for themselves. As long as they don't start lobotomizing people again or something.