[bhaskara2]

Well my dads a farmer and he has no problem with these laws and you will find the same with majority of the farmers in India. They support the law, literally every economist is giving their approval to these laws. There will naturally be some opposing the law and the government has held a dozen meetings with the small number of farmers to discuss each and every point, but they are hell bent on repealing the law instead of amending, which imo is not very constructive.

[dagmx]

Whether your dad is okay with it or not is irrelevant though.

The fact remains though that many are unhappy about it and have been attacked violently. The fact is that the police have filed FIRs against people for voicing support.

Those are the salient points to this discussion on whether India will ban Twitter or not

[Chetan496]

It's true that considerable number of farmers are unhappy with the new farm laws. But an even larger number of farmers are just fine with those. Ideally, this should be implemented differently in each state, as situation in each state is different. Violence does not help in anyway - either by the farmers or the police.

The other point is about involvement of shady organizations.

There is evidence that the protests were planned in advance. Greta Thunberg seems to be involved. I have read the document which was published on Cryptpad. While the document is not really encouraging violence, it does have phrases which clearly intend to malign India's image. A Canadian outfit called 'poetic justice' is also involved.

read the article from the Print https://theprint.in/diplomacy/canada-firm-mp-pr-person-suspe...

and this is the link for the toolkit https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/view/ehTz+drfKPwi4fP5dn0mivw...

while the toolkit does not directly incite violence , it clearly mentions that the plan was followed per schedule. the protests were already planned despite the leaders of protests giving their word that the protests would be peaceful on the republic day.

the toolkit reveals intentions to malign India by asking people all over the world to protest infront of Indian embassies

[birksherty]

"Malign India's image" is a typical response when someone outside says what wrong is going on. Whatever that toolkit and organisation is doing is creating awareness among people about farmer's protest. Where is the malign India part?

Anybody can spread awareness like this. John Oliver did like this many times e.g. during net neutrality, he asked all trolls to write complain to FCC.

This is how less powerful can organise online. Meanwhile Indian govt and it's cyber gang is the one who is making sportsperson and celebrities to post some copy paste tweet to counter this. This is what gov propaganda looks like.

[Chetan496]

Greta Thunberg is not 'less powerful'. And the Khailstani organisations are also not less powerful.

[Chetan496]

The accusation that Indian govt is asking celebrities to copy paste tweet could be true.

but did you consider the possibility that some of those celebrities truly want things to be settled peacefully?

could Mia , Rihanna and Greta be also not part of a propaganda?

Even if both sides are using propaganda as a weapon, atleast celebrities like Sachin Tendulkar are not spreading lies. They are only giving a positive message. They want the whole matter to be solved and for that it's the Indian government and the Indian farmers who have to work together.

[birksherty]

Tendulkr is spreading lies as the tweet (which is a copy paste job) makes it look like thing are going well on farmers side and gov is thinking about them. Where did rihanna and greta lied? You are also spreading propaganda here or just biased like sachn.

Gov doesn't want to work together, they made the law and want everyone to obey them.

[l0k3ndr]

Exactly. Not all farmers are protesting. It can be good for some, but it's definitely risky for people who are already doing well with the existing MSP system. But social platforms show you what you previously liked, and people get conditioned to not see both sides of the coin. It can be good for poor states who are already throwing their crops due to low MSP rates.

[dagmx]

How quickly people devolve into conspiracy theories when authoritarian forces are questioned.

So anyone criticizing India is involved in a global conspiracy to malign it?

As an Indian, I am dissapointed in how quickly this country has turned on its own people in the name of the ruling party. Where does it end?

[Chetan496]

please read the document before dismissing it as a consiparcy theory. It clearly mentions to people in other countries to protest in front of Indian embassies.

What does someone from UK understand about Indian farmers? By all means protest in India - without resorting to violence. No point in protesting in other country unless you think that will create external pressure on the Indian government. Here the government is willing to talk further, even put a stay on the laws for 18 months , but the protestors just do not want to collaborate.

I agree that the government should have been transparent from the beginning. The stubbornness of ruling government escalated situation. But atleast now they are ready to talk. Why do the protesters still want to keep escalating by resorting to violence?

[dagmx]

I did read it. It's pure garbage. How can you, with a straight face, read that and believe it? It's text book conspiracy.

[birksherty]

Most farmers don't get proper money for their crop, much less than what protesting farmers are getting. These farmers have something like minimum wage that protects them. These laws will remove these protection.

Those who are ok with it, don't have that protection, already get much lower payment than what they should, law does not effect them. This is the vast majority of farmers btw. So they don't care.

But saying just because vast majority ok without knowing what is going on is very shellfish. Educate yourself before making allegations.