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Not enough money goes to good teachers and too much money goes to bad teachers.

Teachers unions enable bad teachers by excusing their behavior. Doesn't do much to help good teachers.

What does teachers unions do to help good teachers become better teachers and helping students?

Teachers unions help bad teachers by preventing vast majority from being fired for being bad teachers. Everyone knows who the bad teachers are in the system.

Teachers unions make money by controlling the teachers and politicians in the system.

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Worth pointing out that regardless of its merits either way, this argument is in total bad faith unless you’d say the same thing about police unions. Bonus points for bringing it up at any passing mention of public employees, the way the teachers union rant comes up. Somehow that rarely seems to be the case.

Not going to pursue this any further bc nothing pointlessly derails a thread like arguing about public education (see also: nextdoor), and nothing is more boring than arguing over how much money someone else “deserves”.