[africanboy]

Zoe starts at € 38.900 in Italy the 77KWh is € 48.900

You are probably not accounting for VAT

AFAIK self driving as in unattended driving is not big in Europe, given that most of the driving happens in crowded cities and country roads.

Self driving is welcome on highways, but almost any modern car have some kind of auto pilot system that works well enough.

> Traditional car companies have no expertise in software as they themselves admit.

That's simply not true anymore.

All manufacturers are working on it, Honda will release a level 3 at the end of March this year, Tesla is a level 2 (if I am not wrong)

p.s. I am from Italy

[mhh__]

> AFAIK self driving as in unattended driving is not big in Europe, given that most of the driving happens in crowded cities and country roads.

In the UK at least they will not only have to work fine in very busy roads but also be fine in country lanes which are often very thin, very green, and pretty fast - this will be disproportionately a problem for Tesla's because this is where the rich live.

[Isinlor]

Dutch website is claiming that Renault Zoe R110 Life costs 33 590 [0]. Seems like I've missed 3500 subsidy from Dutch government.

Nobody is able to do true self driving like a taxi in city today. But it will be possible in this decade (I have 95% confidence) and it will be happening in Europe as well. Whoever achieves true, reliable, widely deployed self-driving first will crash competition. Car ownership will effectively disappear in the decade after that i.e. 2030 and later.

[0] https://www.renault.nl/elektrische-autos/zoe.html

[Amezarak]

Maybe in cities. Nobody in rural areas or the suburbs is going to not buy a car because of self-driving rentals.

[Isinlor]

Yes, rural areas will probably be the last to switch since car density there is very low. But suburbs are certainly going to switch because it will make the life just much more pleasant. Drivers instead of paying attention to the road will be spending time on their phones. Instead of wasting time and space for parking they will just request cars on demand.

[africanboy]

> Car ownership will effectively disappear in the next decade i.e. 2030 and later

as a former car owner that has been car-free for 7 years (using only car sharing and short term rentals) I sincerely hope you're right.

Note that the subsidies can be up to 10k here in Italy, but that's true for Tesla as well.