[minimaxir]

As someone who learnt R before tidyverse was a thing, I would have quit R a long time ago without the tidyverse.

Base R is that much of a pain.

[valarauko]

I also learnt R before tidyverse was a thing (2007), and eventually abandoned it for Python & Pandas a year before tidyverse came out. I sorely missed ggplot, but I couldn't justify the ugliness of R to make up for it. Now when I look at R code, it's almost always tidyverse, and makes little sense to me.

I'll probably move to Julia at some point.

[CornCobs]

Agreed. Tidyverse is a totally different language, even. And it's one that is consistent, easy to use and most importantly, it feels designed

Huge props to Hadley Wickham and whoever helps bring programming niceties to R's otherwise mostly non-programmer userbase