[dongavich]

There are so many messed up implementations of Product roles/jobs.

Agile/Scrum Alliance just has the concept of a Product Owner (it is the same thing as a Product Manager). This is OK.

SAFe breaks up the role in terms of PM and PO. This is not OK. SAFe is fake Agile and simply the application of 'agile' labels to top-down, waterfall ways of working.

If you have both a PM and a PO in your organisation, I'm afraid they've had a drink of the SAFe cool-aid.

One last thing... a Product Manager/Owner is NOT a Delivery Manager.

Product should be responsible for the What and Why, delivery/tech for the How, When, Who.

[gowld]

> Agile/Scrum Alliance just has the concept of a Product Owner (it is the same thing as a Product Manager).

It's not, really because, Scrum doesn't deal with product design.