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by chordalkeyboard 1970 days ago
> How can the average American worker be so unfamiliar with the case against unions? We are inundated with anti-union propaganda practically from birth.

I disagree on the pervasiveness of anti-union propaganda. Perhaps this is your experience, it has not been mine.

> Barely any of us are unionized, corporations have gone to the ends of the earth to disempower or dismantle unions for the past 40-50 years, and you hardly ever hear any pro-union narrative outside of union organizers and the left.

Barely any of us are amateur radio operators and you never hear about amateur radio from anyone except preppers and geeks, but it isn’t because of inundation of anti-ham-radio propaganda from birth, merely that most people aren’t aware that ham radio could fulfill any of their needs.

> I have heard the arguments against unions so many times I can recite them by heart. I've had posters up in my workplace, I've had to watch anti-union videos before even applying for jobs and I've had comments like yours pushed all over anything that even mentions unions.

Thats your experience. But I bet you didn’t wonder that each and every person who propagandized you were dead inside. Rather you eventually became aware that some of them had their own beliefs based on their own perspectives that led them to their anti-union work.

> The idea that someone is pro-union because they've never heard the arguments against unions beggars belief.

As does the idea that someone could only make anti-union website if they were dead inside, but we like to assume good faith when people make statements and keep our cynicism to ourselves when possible.

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> if they were dead inside

I'm not the original poster, so I'm not sure why you're responding to me as if I were.

> Thats your experience

Yes, that's my experience. My experience is extremely common.

Have you not worked any blue collar or service jobs?

I have, I’ve been a welder/fabricator, a machine operator, a forklift driver, and a temp. I’ve seen anti-union propaganda. I’ve seen pro-union propaganda. And I’m familiar enough with the discourse that I don’t wonder why anyone chooses what they choose. And there are evil parasites on both sides. But rarely do I see people acknowledge the arguments of the other side, usually just calling them parasites.

> I'm not the original poster, so I'm not sure why you're responding to me as if I were.

This whole ting started because they said that how could someone do that unless they were dead inside which I inferred to mean they hadn’t been exposed to any reasons why someone would do that, and you couldn’t believe that anyone would be unaware as to the legitimate rational case against unions based on workers’ interests. So I observed that you didn’t share the same reaction as the original commenter when you were exposed to the propaganda.

> I’ve seen anti-union propaganda.

You yourself haven't even had the experience of going through life without seeing a significant amount of anti-union propaganda. Yet you believe there are people who miraculously have.

I don’t assume that my experience is representative of every other person, true.
You assumed the extreme opposite.
Where did I assume anything?