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by qwantim1 1969 days ago
He may have lost his bet, but maybe he came close.

2020 was the closest I’ve come to feeling that society was collapsing.

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The first month here of 2021 in the US has left me a little concerned about the stability of our society.
You're going to compare that to Cambodia in 1978, China 1961, or Germany in 1945?
Are you aware of how many people the Chinese and American governments are killing? History always looks worse in hindsight.
The bet was that it WOULDN'T be close. The fact that it is means he lost. Pay the man.
Let's call that one when we're at the bottom of the slide.
We may get to the bottom of the slide after its too late to call it what it is.
The problems of 2020 weren't rooted in tech, however.
They were severely exacerbated by tech. Let's argue about it and prove my point.
Agree. I think social technology has been an unmitigated disaster. I appreciate the engineering technology that has improved our infrastructure and environment. Air is cleaner, pollution is lower, food is plentiful. Cars and almost all other machinery are more efficient and more reliable. Medicine is better; things that used to be death sentences are either managable or more treatable. But compared to the 1980s, I'd take the social environment then vs now without blinking.
It is a failure of leadership, the humanities, not STEM.

Biology can only do so much if we ignore it.

No, it's just the same thing happening over and over again.

Rich screw poor. Poor want to strike back.

In theory everyone could be happy. It's just that there is a lack of willingness for it to happen.

Say theoretically everything was the same in this timeline EXCEPT there is no reddit, facebook, twitter, or 4chan.

QAnon has no platform available. Hell, maybe we still have blogs but you aren't plastered echo-chamber friendly messages you have to actually search for stuff to read or maybe go to a phpbb forum.

Trump without Twitter, QAnon, 4Chan would've probably played out differently. Without a way for society to constantly feed his narcissism would he have been so anti-mask - would anti-science even be so big if there weren't echo-chambers re-inforcing this?

That's just social media itself. It's literally poisoned our society as much as a social credit score in China probably has there among relationships. Piss someone off and now you're an enemy combatant and can't travel.

I think tech can also fix a lot, but it depends how we use it and what we do with it. I hope we can science our way out of Global Warming but I'm not very optimistic about us surviving into 2100s.

You don't need social media or high tech to attack and dismantle democracy, to exert racist police brutality, to mishandle a pandemic, or to flock together and storm a government building like the US Capitol. All of this happened in world history before, with less advanced technology, a century or even longer ago.
This is very true, but you also don't need a machine gun to wage war. It's just far more efficient at killing people than your homemade bow and arrow.
What was the actual importance of QAnon? Just a newsreel skevomorphism, an entity easy to defeat as it was easy to setup. Pretty much irrelevant, disenfranchised people still exist. QAnon and other crazy but promoted ideas have served as smokescreens hiding actual problems and at some point people will take their shot at going against some actual structural issues. No easy way out and who knows when that tipping point is but 2100 sounds very optimistic for those structures hold.

On the other hand Tech can work as a cheap social stabililty agent as seen successfully in China.

are airplanes tech? can a virus spread around the world easily without planes, trains, and automobiles?

Can people be super dependent on a financial system if it weren't digital?

Even government—people had more freedom under a low-tech monarchy than a high-tech democracy. Can't enforce too many laws when law enforcement doesn't have vehicles or phones.

Things worked exactly as they should. People always work themselves up about short term news.
You must be quite young. 2020 is a minor blip on the huge ups and downs over the past 2 centuries.

The only way I could fathom "society collapsing" is if I felt the interactions you see on the internet were an accurate reflection of society at large. It's not - not even close.

On a timescale of 2 centuries everybody is 'quite young', you included.