[rakoo]

gemini isn't trying to reinvent the web, to make it P2P or serverless or whatever; it's just reusing the ideas of gopher and the web but going in another direction. It doesn't try to replace the web. From this point of view it makes total sense to reuse TCP, TLS and DNS, because they're not trying to replace them.

> Maybe also add a header to the server response that says x-gemini: true or whatever.

That would require adding headers, which means extension is possible, and that's explicitely something gemini doesn't want. I believe it makes sense in the goals gemini wants to achieve.

> And I will disagree on this part, http 1.0 is actually easier to implement than the gemini protocol.

HTTP 1.0 still has multiple headers and multiple verbs. It's actually closer to HTTP 0.9. Yes, you can say "don't use those" but at some point it's good to refresh the spec and see what is and what isn't needed. Moreover HTTP is just HTTP, Gemini is transfer + encryption + client identification (through client certificates); the latter is still the wild west for the HTTP world, there is no clear set of "best practices" in this domain

[h_anna_h]

> gemini isn't trying to reinvent the web

> It doesn't try to replace the web

This is what they claim, yes.

> From this point of view it makes total sense to reuse TCP, TLS and DNS, because they're not trying to replace them

I do not understand this point. Wanting to replace the web is irrelevant to using better and simpler protocols.

> That would require adding headers

Treat any server that contains extra headers as invalid gemini then.

> which means extension is possible

Extension is possible regardless, even on gemini. I can set my mime to text/gemini-2 and add all kinds of stuff in it.

> Moreover HTTP is just HTTP, Gemini is transfer + encryption + client identification

HTTP might just be HTTP, https however..

[rakoo]

> This is what they claim, yes.

No it is not. See the FAQ again at https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/faq.html:

> 1.4 Do you really think you can replace the web?

> Not for a minute! Nor does anybody involved with Gemini want to destroy Gopherspace. Gemini is not intended to replace either Gopher or the web, but to co-exist peacefully alongside them as one more option which people can freely choose to use if it suits them. In the same way that many people currently serve the same content via gopher and the web, people will be able to "bihost" or "trihost" content on whichever combination of protocols they think offer the best match to their technical, philosophical and aesthetic requirements and those of their intended audience.

For the other point you seem to forget that gemini doesn't exist on technical grounds but on philosophical grounds: it wants to create a new space with its own rules, even though the technicalities are close to something that already exist. People have written blogs (called gemlogs in gemini), and they "hacked" the format to build an informal replacement to Atom. The constraints of the medium created the requirements and the result is a simple, human-readable and human-editable document that can replace Atom in most cases: https://proxy.flounder.online/gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/.... It follows the philosophy of making this new space more human-centered.

[h_anna_h]

By "This is what they claim, yes." I meant that they claim that they are not trying to replace the web, not that they claim that they try to replace it.