I'm not sure anyone is arguing over whether people should or shouldn't judge each other, but rather arguing over the metrics used. I'm not for PC in conduct, and I offend people in person quite often. Most people I interact with these days have known me for more than 10 years. It seems hugh3 is from the UK, while I am from the US (4th gen UK immigrant; just inherited 2 portraits of immigrant ancestors from the 1850s); there seems to be quite a few nuanced differences that turn out to be significantly determinate in our ultimate conclusions in a variety of situations. I'm guessing you, too. are from the UK because it is difficult for me to empathize with hugh3 the way you appear to do so.