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by JumpCrisscross 1964 days ago
> There were literally like a dozen or so firms that halted buying

My understanding is these firms halted buying on margin. Did anyone else halt for non-margin accounts?

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They halted buy on stocks(no margin) on Interactive Brokers which powers most of the retail apps in Europe. I think the other brokers did the same. If you listen to this guy it's pretty clear he'a protecting the hedge funds.

"If our customers loose money we have to put ours" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7RH4XKP55fM

Looks more like he is trying to protect his company. ( If the Hedge fund or clearance house fails, the broker would loose a lot of money).
Yeah, better let the retailers loose..not market manipulation, just driving the stock to the right price where both the broker and the hedge wins. I wouldn't call this a free market.
Is your underlying theory that with no intervention the stock would have no choice but to go to the moon?

Seems pretty bogus to me, there's still liquidity (so that's nothing like VW squeeze, where 75% of the market was cornered by porsche and 20% was held by a german state, leaving only 5% available for shorts to rebuy). Also current shorts were likely made at a much higher level.

And GME could do like AMC and AAL and issue more stock (why wouldn't they, it's like free money).

>> Is your underlying theory that with no intervention the stock would have no choice but to go to the moon?

If the retailers hold the line they will squeeze the shorters. They already did it but the bulk of the juice is still there. VW is not the only example. Tesla is a more recent one. Of course GME could issue new stock. Many executives liquidated/sold their positions. AMC already issued new stock. These are different issues.

Restrict the buying of any given stock(i.e Tesla), halt it intermitently and then announce that you are banning it because it's too volatile and speculative.

What's the expected result? I could bet its goes down and that's the whole point I'm making: the brokers and hedge fund managers collude to the drive the price down. They decided what the stock is worth or better said what the price should be at the expense of the buy side/retail investors. This is a predatory environment not a free market. Imagine if the brokers would suddenly liquidate the hedge funds shorts due the volatility.

> If the retailers hold the line they will squeeze the shorters.

As long as there's liquidity (and it seems like there is, the entire float is trading every day), sure some short position might give up because they lost their bet (assuming they're not hedged anyway), but there's always going to be someone else shorting at a higher and higher level, and in the end the shorts will inevitably win.

Even without any trading halt, it would end up like all pump and dump, with a few winners (those who dump or short at the top).

And in any case there's probably only a handful of hedge funds playing (and some will lose, other will win), and those being neutral in it (eg market makers) will win as well with all the trades.

EToro in U.K. halted it - no margin account, we have instant transfers of cash.

Managed to buy $beermoney worth in the end to say I was there, although that was at 20% higher than I tried to (not that it matters)

They’re a cfd broker aren’t they?
No, I have no margin on my e-trade account and was abruptly blocked from all GME-related trades without warning on Thursday. Plain old cash buying.