[Bvalmont1]

It's a young field. We need UX/ advocates with a seat at the table defending the users. Better yet, we need UX advocates across the board.

But it'll take time, most companies are just getting into it. But making better UX a company wide effort is a good start.

As for the bigCorps, obviously this is a wider discussion than UX alone, as having these dark patterns fall through the process indicates a certain problem in company culture and/or decisionmaking.

It's a bit early to start losing faith, we're just getting started.

[hulitu]

> It's a young field and we need UX advocates with a seat at the table actually defending the users. It's not easy and it will take some time, but as the knowledge of UX is increasing across decision-makers and people building products, we will get to a better place.

With all due respect: you are new here. The level of UX is at Windows 1.0 or Xt widgets. I hate to say that but windows 3.1 looks like a revolution compared with Windows 10, OSX (current) or Material "design". There was a time when things worked. Now the dark ages of UX have come i it will be a long time until the new industrial revolution will come.

> It's a bit early to start losing faith, we haven't even properly started yet.

This is true for Win 10 and Google's brain dead interface. Some not so long time ago things were much, much better. The worst thing is that there is budget allocated for such things.

[Bvalmont1]

With all due respect, I'm talking about the practice of aligning user needs to product. If we're talking about UI elements inside a design system (such as material design), that is a different discussion alltogether. That's not even where the OP is about.

"The worst thing that there's budget allocated for such things" is just offensive and invalidates all the progress that was made in the past decades in the field of HCI.

Frankly it's dissapointing to see in HN how little understanding there is in what is happening in this field and to see all these passive-aggressiveness towards UX design is frankly demotivating. UX is something that in my opinion is carried by every person that touches the product in some way, it's about more than just putting some flows together as a designer and harrassing developers.