[com2kid]

> and if you're doing crud stuff, most of the work is frankly done for you.

React sucks for large complex forms unless you pair it with another technology or two.

Want to write a crud app fast? C# and Winforms.

Couple years back, I once did a prototype of a web app in C# and Winforms connected to Firebase. Less than a day, done.

Month later, had it working in React. Granted the React website looked nice, but the difference in efficiency is huge.

Data binding 20 fields on C# is a matter of minutes. Data binding 20 fields in React, and with Redux, ugh. I really should have just learned Redux Forms.

And for any given forms library in React, you then get to practice learning how to beat it into shape and style it how you want.

I, no kidding, think writing CRUD apps was easier with VB6 and Microsoft Access.

[ziftface]

That's really interesting, I should look into that pattern, maybe it can be applied elsewhere (I have to maintain a vb6 application at work, and I'm not terribly interested in doing that anymore).

Yeah working with redux sucks in general imo, I try to avoid it when I can. If I can get away with it, I try to avoid the problem entirely by using hasura as a backend. But sometimes that's not viable.

[com2kid]

> That's really interesting, I should look into that pattern, maybe it can be applied elsewhere (I have to maintain a vb6 application at work, and I'm not terribly interested in doing that anymore).

I hadn't used C# for years, I was shocked that the winforms designer duct taped to a community contributed Firebase library, was able to get a prototype out in hours.

I had been using JS for 2 years at that point. I estimate at 10x-15x productivity boost in C# over JS.

The C# tooling is just that good.

Now if I'd been trying to learn XAML or something at the same time, eh, probably wouldn't have gone as well.

Of course the downside here is that a Winforms app is hard to distribute, and usable only on Windows desktops.

The react web app was, well, beautiful, and usable everywhere.

But I could have written the C# app once for every platform I care about and still been better off.

Ugh, I am sad that Winforms is only ever going to be Win32 based.