[YeGoblynQueenne]

I don't disagree with you. The farm should be upfront about what exactly it does with the cattle once they're weaned. If they are butchered on the grounds, they should show how they do that. If they hand them off to someone else, they should probably say a few words about how they are sure the animals are treated no worse than needed on the way to, and during, slaughter.

I think that, counter-intuitively, the squeamishness about this part of eating animals (i.e. their killing) is responsible for a large part of people being at least uncomfortable with, if not completely opposed to the very idea (of eating other animals).

In any case, we kill animals to eat them and there is nothing good that can come out of trying to obscure this simple fact.

Btw, I think that "ethical dairy" is a silly name. I was just curious about the idea of leaving the calves with their mothers and milking the mothers only once a day etc.

[tomcam]

I am not overly fond of euphemisms, but why is “ethical dairy“ not a useful term here? They really seem to be making the animals’ lives better.

[codebolt]

I agree. Vegans are usually 'all or nothing' when it comes to animal welfare. However, if you could increase the quality of life of farm animals from miserable to decent for the majority of their lifespans, that would surely eliminate the majority of animal suffering overall. I don't get why someone who claims to be concerned about animal welfare wouldn't promote such efforts.

[YeGoblynQueenne]

I find it a bit silly because "ethical" is a vague term that can be interpreted in many different ways. For instance, some people will still not think that the dairy's practices are "ethical", if the end result is the same, i.e. slaughtering the animals.