[Nextgrid]

I'm saddened to see that almost a decade after Ember's release, the front-end world still insists rolling their own (terrible) reimplementation of it.

I would've expected that a decade later we would've settled on an Ember-like framework for the front-end and moved beyond constructing URLs and parsing JSON responses manually but apparently not.

[whalesalad]

The rest of the world moved on from Ember because Ember is a pain in the ass to use.

[Nextgrid]

As someone who's not a front-end developer, but who works near them and sees the (React) code they produce and their general productivity (or lack thereof), what's so bad about it?

To me as a backend developer just reading Ember's docs, it seems like Ember provides most of the conveniences I take for granted in a backend web framework such as Django, Rails or Laravel.

On the other hand, the front-end code I see from the people I work with seems to have no standard for structure (every project has its own), reinvents the wheel all the time (using Axios and building the URLs manually with string concatenation for example), etc. Most of the stuff they do (and redo) from scratch seems like something that would be handled by Ember to begin with.

So what's so bad? I feel like (as an outsider - feel free to prove me wrong) Ember is fine for most purposes, and edge-cases where React or alternative approaches do provide a benefit can be used ad-hoc without having to use it for your entire application.

[karmelapple]

Ember does indeed include a lot, and it’s all designed to work nicely together. I also develop backend much more than front end, but knowing that we just are using the primary Ember way of doing something reduces the number of decision one has to make. And it should allow other Ember devs to hop into your software more easily due to its opinionated nature.

[enspandi]

It has improved a lot though - checkout ember octane

[shakezula]

I thought Sails.js or something like it would take the JS scene by storm, and React would move into more of a specialty application spot, but instead everyone decided they were special.

Ember is the closest to what I thought JS development should have been like, and I really appreciate what they’ve built. RedwoodJS seems promising too but we’ll see.