[TheAlchemist]

There is nothing positive in it.

90% of those redditors (maybe 99%) will loose a lot of money.

Sure some Wall Street hedge funds are loosing a ton of money, but most of this money is just going to other hedge funds, that were on the other side of the trade.

The stock will go back to around 10$ when this is all over (soon) - and only a few redditors will be able to actually realize their gains.

That being said, I like this situation. It's a gentle reminder that the stock market is a risky and (way too) complex thing.

[dsauerbrun]

> 90% of those redditors (maybe 99%) will loose a lot of money.

I really don't think that's the case. I would agree with you on this point in most cases but this is a very unique situation in which everyone will make money once the people on the short end capitulate.

I suppose it comes down to the question of whether people can stomach the ups and downs up until that capitulation. I think once you screen for all the spam and memes on WSB the explanations are very simple to understand. As someone who does not invest in individual stocks(I have done so maybe 3 times in my life, the rest is in index funds), I was able to understand the situation quite clearly.

You don't even need to wager a large amount to make a large amount. The way it was explained makes sense that you could be up 10,000%, so invest $100 and you could end up with $10,000. This allows even small frys to put a little in and let the mechanics of the market do its job and at the worst case you lose money you wouldn't have minded to lose anyways.

At this point, if anyone is thinking about getting in, i would proceed with caution. The stock has already blown up quite a bit so you probably wont be getting those big 10,000% paydays. I am not a financial analyst blah blah blah please dont sue me

[SpicyLemonZest]

The fundamental issue is that, to realize those 10,000% gains, you have to sell to some greater fool for a 10,000% inflated price. And there's a good chance that greater fool will be another retail investor just like you. (Leveraged trades which don't require a 10,000% price gain are possible, but what "leverage" means is that you can lose more than your initial $100 investment.)

It's a different story if the stock is legitimately undervalued, of course. But there's no coherent argument to be made that GME's current price - up 110% since yesterday! - is rational or sustainable. And indeed, if you look on WSB today, you see a lot of people explaining that you'll ruin the bubble if you don't keep buying lots of GME.

[jaxwerk]

If the play here were a simple pump and dump, that would all be accurate. Your ability to sell at 10,000% relies on there being a greater fool and that greater fool that ends up holding the bag could often be just a regular person investing unwisely.

The social media hype here is about this being a short squeeze. Large institutional investors have taken short positions and will likely be compelled to purchase to purchase shares at whatever price when margin calls come in on Friday. The current share price does not reflect the potential to profit off Gamestop as a company, it reflects the potential to profit off of the institutions that have taken incredibly risky short positions.

Here, the greater fool is already committed to buying your shares, and the timeline for that purchase is known with enough certainty to make this a fairly low-risk play.

[SpicyLemonZest]

Large institutional investors aren't compelled to wait for Friday to exit; they can decide (and largely seem to have already decided) that the market isn't acting rationally and they'd better get out early. I suppose that's not an entirely impossible theory - in principle even the losses they've already closed out are wealth transfers from them to WSB buyers - but I'm very skeptical that it won't ultimately end up being retail traders holding the bag.

[dsauerbrun]

yes, and today those greater fools are the hedge funds. Look up what a "short squeeze" is.

There is indeed a coherent argument for why GME's current price is so high. It doesn't have to do with the company itself but rather the current conditions of the stock.

There are 69.75 million gamestop stocks. Short sellers have borrowed roughly 97.65 million stocks. There are literally fewer stocks available than are needed. Supply is low, demand will be high when short sellers are forced to cover their losses. Think of the stock as an item you are purchasing as opposed to something the correlates to the value of a business and it'll make more sense.

I don't think this is what the intention of the stock market is, but the system allows for it to happen. The system needs to be fixed. You shouldn't be able to short more stock than exists.

[kryogen1c]

>The system needs to be fixed. You shouldn't be able to short more stock than exists

why? the margin calls will materialize losses when theres no more demand for shorts. what does that have to do with the magnitude of aggregate short position relative to stock?

[tayo42]

> you have to sell to some greater fool for a 10,000% inflated price.

I thought the whole point is you have guaranteed buyers because the groups shorting the stock need to buy eventually.

[Turing_Machine]

True enough, but it appears that in this case a lot of the "greater fools" are hedge funds that shorted the stock, essentially pledging to buy it back no matter how high it goes.

[MrStonedOne]

>90% of those redditors (maybe 99%) will loose a lot of money.

Hatred and spite for "traditional" (and patronizing) investor opinions like this is what is driving WSB.

[TheAlchemist]

It's just a fact, sorry if it sounded patronizing. Also - this things happen periodically in the market (check the short squeeze on Volkswagen)

Yes - there is a short squeeze, but those redditors gains are only on paper. The stock may even go to 10,000$ from here - nobody knows. But at some point, those short sellers will cover or go bankrupt and the stock will be back to its 'fundamental' price - whatever it is, but certainly not 330$ that we see right now.

[jjeaff]

Considering all the shorts that need covering, I'd say there is a lot of room for the retail investors to sell and take profit as the shorts close out their positions.

[SpicyLemonZest]

I mean, maybe, but I'm not sure where you're going with this. If WSB members find it patronizing to be told "this is a bad trade and you'll almost surely lose money", and spitefully resolve to make the trade more and more in response, that seems like a problem with WSB and not with the investor opinions.

[ryandward]

If I'm not mistaken, that's kind of the point. People are willing to throw money away to punish Wall Street.

[TheAlchemist]

Yeah, that seems to be the case.

I'm not sure they realize, that they are throwing money away - I'm pretty sure they do not. But it may well kill some hedge funds and even cause some market ripples.

But in the end, it will be it - throwing money away. And once the dust settle, and they find themselves with big losses, I bet they will blame ... Wall Street.

Just to be clear - there is already plenty to blame on Wall Street, no need blame them for something they didn't do.

[aiur]

So you shorted it?