[dstola]

> After the fall of Constantinople in 1204 CE

Fall of Constantinople was in the mid 15th century [1] (1453 to be exact), not 1204. Its unfortunate when overall informative articles make basic mistakes which could be easily verified/researched

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople

[aardvark179]

Constantinople was successfully besieged by the fourth crusade in 1204, and the subsequent sacking of the city did apparently result in the destruction of the library. Looking at the Wikipedia page for the library it looks like the phrase was directly copied from there. I guess the problem is Constantinople has fallen many times, but only Fallen once.

[flohofwoe]

The 1204 "Sack of Constantinople" by Western crusaders can be seen as the "fall before the Fall" though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople#Afterma...

[teh_klev]

It was also sacked in 1204, which what the site refers to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople

[dstola]

Interesting, thank you. I had no idea. Especially since it was done by the Christian crusaders themselves.

I guess the article makes no distinction between a Sacking and a Fall.

[teh_klev]

Sack, Fall, Conquer, they pretty much amount to the same thing. Maybe the article should have used the term "Sack", but then if you google around it's also known as the "Fall" or the "Siege".

[dstola]

A sack in this case would be different because in the end it was still controlled by Christiandom, as opposed to the Fall when it switched to being controlled by the Ottomans. I think these small details do matter in this case, but maybe its just me.

[chr15p]

Before the 1204 sacking it was controlled by Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox christianity and afterwards it was rued by western catholic christians with a Latin mass and a pretty fundamentally different culture. Its known as the Latin Empire and lasted about 70 years before one of the surviving remnant parts of the Byzantine empire managed to recapture the city. So while it was not The Fall Of Constantinople it was certainly A fall of Constantinople.

[teh_klev]

Having checked various dictionaries, I'm certain it doesn't matter who, religion, ethnicity or race-wise, is on the dispensing or receiving end of a sacking, fall or conquer, they're pretty much the same. That said, sacking seems to be a specific case that involves looting and running off with the good stuff, i.e. plundering, which is one of my favourite words.

[Aperocky]

Found the Venetian shill.

#remember 4th Crusade