[boulos]

Russell’s teapot doesn’t fit in this case. Paper ballots exist. Many were manually recounted (whether by optical scanner or by hand).

Are there actually claims of miscounted votes that you feel were miscounted or incorrectly treated that you feel are verifiable? (And haven’t already been refuted via evidence)

[ekianjo]

> . Many were manually recounted (whether by optical scanner or by hand).

My understanding is that in several places the envelopes in which the ballots were sent were allegedly prone to irregularities and the ballots have been extracted anyway and the envelopes disposed of, so recounts would by default take in account faulty/incomplete ballots if this actually happened. (no idea if the claim is true, however)

[Thorrez]

>envelopes disposed of

Are envelopes generally involved? In the Antrim County dispute[1] it sounds like they use Image Cast Precinct (ICP) tabulators[2][3]. This[4] appears to be a video of one in use[5], and it doesn't seem to involve an envelope. If there's 100% mail-in voting then yes every ballot would have an envelope. But if there's any less than 100% then there will be less envelopes than ballots, so I'm not sure envelopes would be too useful for recounts.

[1] https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/14/m...

[2] https://www.michigan.gov/documents/ag/SOS_Benson_Response_An...

[3] https://www.9and10news.com/content/uploads/2020/12/Antrim_Mi...

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4l3eKRJv4

[5] https://verifiedvoting.org/election-system/dominion-imagecas...

[qwerty12345678]

I forgot to touch on this in my reply...If what I mentioned in my reply did in fact occur, you now understand why "recounts" wouldn't make any difference.