[dstola]

Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence.

I feel that open sourcing their code would definitely do the trick. It is kinda baffling that something as important as an election is ran on closed-source proprietary codebase.

[javagram]

> Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence.

Why would their code matter? Far more important than the code is the paper ballot audit trail their machines produce.

And that audit trail has been audited by multiple states, run by both Republicans and Democrats, after the election and found to be flawless. The machines counted properly. https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statew...

[throwawaygh]

> Why would their code matter? Far more important than the code is the paper ballot audit trail their machines produce.

Thank you!!! There are tons of people who have spent their entire lives thinking about computer voting. Their recommendations are almost uniformly:

1. Dear god no.

2. If so, paper trail.

Looking at the source code when there's an auditable paper trail is a huge idiotic red herring. And, there is an auditable paper trail.

[MisterBastahrd]

It's also quite interesting that Democrats have tried multiple times in the past two Congresses to provide for election security laws, with mandatory paper ballots AND standard auditing, and yet Republicans refused to bring any of those bills to the floor in the Senate.

[starik36]

The situation will be reversed for the next 2 years. Just watch.

[javagram]

Democrats have already introduced a new election integrity bill providing funds for secure voting. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/te... - Look for “Subtitle F—Promoting Accuracy, Integrity, And Security Through Voter-Verified Permanent Paper Ballot”

Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump in 2020. Democrats are perfectly happy to spend even more money to “prove” their wins are real (although it’s actually mostly solid Republican states that use insecure voting machines that don’t have a paper trail and should be forced to upgrade).

[starik36]

Regardless of who got how many votes, our system needs to have as much transparency as possible. And that starts with use of open source software & hardware for elections. Then with making sure that people that are allowed to vote do.

[ardy42]

> Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence.

All right dstola: For the purposes of argument, I accuse you of being a thief who has embezzled millions of dollars from some company you've worked for. Instead of suing me for defamation for my lie, why don't you just prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you didn't steal anything? Maybe you could open source your bank account data, and all your movements to show that you couldn't have opened any secret accounts?

That's a ridiculous ask. The malicious accusation of embezzled is a lie that harmed you, and proving your innocence won't compensate you for the harm caused by that lie. These lawsuits are about the harm done to Dominion.

Also, no analysis of any kind would ever satisfy the people who believe the 2020 election was marred by vote fraud. That belief isn't based on evidence, and massive amounts of evidence to the contrary hasn't convinced those people. There's no reason to think one more report would make any difference.

[dstola]

> Maybe you could open source your bank account data, and all your movements to show that you couldn't have opened any secret accounts? That's a ridiculous ask.

Actually, maybe not open source, but otherwise that is exactly what would happen should I be suspect of being a thief. No reason why dominion cannot show their source code to professional investigators to get their name cleared right? If they are so vocal about being innocent, why not do it?

[halfmatthalfcat]

The precedent this would set would be disastrous. Any bad actor could try to force a company to release IP to prove they aren't acting maliciously. We have the legal discovery process for a reason.

[dstola]

My point is that unvetted IP/code shouldn't be used in democratically critical processes such as elections in the fist place, doing so increases the surface area of bad actors to act maliciously.

[detaro]

And you think open-sourcing it would calm down the claims, and they wouldn't claim exactly the same + "well of course they didn't use the software they gave us the code for"?

[sv123]

Because you can't prove a negative?

[ZuLuuuuuu]

Wasn't it already proven that the machines are not biased, by counting the votes by hand in Georgia and seeing that the results did not change?

[alimw]

> Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased

Well now they'll have to do exactly that in a courtroom. I can't think of a better place for it.

[swiley]

IMO: any database used for voting that doesn't always have monotonically increasing counts is questionable (regardless of what happened in 2020.)

[javagram]

Any voting machine that doesn’t have printed paper ballots is questionable and should not be used. Dominion machines do, unfortunately there are a few non-swing states that have fully electronic voting still.

[pm90]

There were manual recounts that returned the same results.