[Loughla]

So the proposition in this article is that Murdoch is just using this to enrich himself, at the expense of Google and Facebook specifically.

What do you call a competition where you want both sides to somehow lose?

[AndrewSChapman]

You're 100% correct, as it stands there's not a great outcome. What we need is for social media to have to pay for the information they profit from, whilst at the same time ensuring that official media outlets have to produce quality, well researched, fact-led journalism. If we have both of these things then we win.

[mushbino]

I'm wondering if Google and others can claim that what's put out by outlets like Fox news are not actually news but entertainment and the laws don't apply to that. They use that argument constantly in court to wiggle out of lawsuits.

[mbg721]

I call it "American politics", but I'm sure there's an "X's Choice" a la Sophie or Hobson for it.