[h_anna_h]

> that's still more people than were killed by police in the UK in total.

This makes perfect sense, the US has almost 5 times more population than the UK.

> If you want a second opinion you have to change GP

You can't just change GP, you have to do some bureaucratic BS first afaik.

Do you have the option to leave the country in order to get a second opinion from a doctor in the EU?

[DanBC]

> You can't just change GP, you have to do some bureaucratic BS first afaik.

No, this is untrue.

In England you can change GP at any time. You don't need a reason.

For other stuff if you want a second opinion you ask for it.

The case being talked about is of a child who had no brain who was being kept breathing by machine. He had no hope of life.

In the UK the doctors come up with a care plan and put it to the parents. If the parents disagree the doctors have to go to court to get a ruling. The English courts are there to protect the rights of the child, and the rights of the parents. The child is given their own independent legal representative.

[h_anna_h]

> In England you can change GP at any time. You don't need a reason.

This is irrelevant to what I said. I never claimed that you need to have a reason to change, rather I said that you need to "do some bureaucratic BS first", the registration.

Anyway, most GPs are not accepting new registrations due to corona :)

[mhh__]

> This makes perfect sense, the US has almost 5 times more population than the UK.

5 (UK Police-induced deaths including Terrorists and the like) times 5 is not 1000.

> You can't just change GP, you have to do some bureaucratic BS first afaik.

The website I linked says change GP, and it's not that difficult to do in my experience (It's still annoyingly non-automated).

> Do you have the option to leave the country in order to get a second opinion from a doctor in the EU?

Practically I think it would arguably be malpractice if your GP ignored you if you did of your own accord, but with Brexit I genuinely don't know what the framework is anymore.

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/going-abr...

But contrary to what you seemed to be implying they don't stop you from doing that or paying for it yourself.

The NHS is not without flaws, and is arguably (I would certainly argue) empirically worse than other alternatives in Europe, but all this death-panel crap is literally just regurgitated anti-Obamacare talking points from a decade ago with almost no relevance to the ills actually plaguing single-payer healthcare.

[h_anna_h]

> Practically I think it would arguably be malpractice if your GP ignored you if you did of your own accord

I do not think that this answers the question. It also does not need to be in the EU. Do I have the option to get a second opinion from a doctor in Brazil or the US or Russia?

> But contrary to what you seemed to be implying

I never implied that, not sure where you got that from. I find this attack unwarranted.

[Symbiote]

I have never head of Britain preventing people from leaving the country, except for criminals serving their sentence, and (presumably) people awaiting trial.

Where does the idea that people are prevented from leaving the country for private healthcare originate? (It would be rare, as there's a good private healthcare system in Britain anyway. The opposite is much more common: the UK is a common choice for private healthcare for rich people in the Middle East.)

[h_anna_h]

> Where does the idea that people are prevented from leaving the country for private healthcare originate?

From this post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25894454

[Symbiote]

I've never heard of this, and can't find anything to back it up (which is why I asked). There's usually a couple of reported cases a year where people travel abroad for something that isn't (yet) approved or available in the UK, and others that are routine.

The closest thing I can think of is a cannabis medicine, which isn't available in the UK, but the children involved have been able to go to the Netherlands for it. The trouble was when their parents brought the medicine back.

So, I assume it's American anti-public-healthcare fake news.