[disgruntledphd2]

Greenwald has been writing about what an terrible enabler of the survellience state Nancy Pelosi was for almost 15 years. She hasn't changed her opinions much in that time.

And to be fair, the Democratic Party, while mostly still tethered to consensus reality, would be a center-right party in pretty much every country in Europe.

[zepto]

I’d say your first paragraph is facts, and the second is an opinion that is often cited but only partially true because what left-right means in ‘Europe’ is different from what it means in the US.

However...

It’s unclear what these two points have to do with either the original piece or my comment to which you replied.

Can you relate them in some way?

How do they shed light on the idea that Greenwald is not claiming there is a conspiracy?

[disgruntledphd2]

The relationship is that Greenwald is a progressive, and would likely be more supportive of the democratic party if they were an actual left-wing party.

I'm sure he'd still be as upset by the survellience, but he'd probably cut them more slack if he liked their policies more.

Also, it's naive to expect the Dems to be better on survellience when we have years of evidence that this is not the case.

[zepto]

I agree that it’s ‘naive’ to expect the Dems to be better on surveillance, but it’s not clear how this relates to what Greenwald wrote. He is writing about what he sees happening, not his expectations.

Can you explain where the idea that there is a conspiracy, or a secret comes from?

[disgruntledphd2]

So, I've been following US politics for most of my adult life, since Bush 2.

In that time, the ratcheting up of survellience has only gone one way regardless of who's in power.

I believe that Greenwald sees things similarly.

[zepto]

I agree with what you just said.

I’m just still not sure what your comments have to do with the one of mine that you replied to.

Does this have anything to do with the idea that there is a conspiracy behind the ratcheting up of surveillance?