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by __blockcipher__ 1970 days ago
> Not being able to reap what you sow is a problem with open source. I don’t doubt we are seeing less great software being shared in the open because of it. If we want more useful software shared as open source we should fix this. The Amazon problem doesn’t help. I’m with Elastic.

Simply put, this is a naive and entitled attitude. And here's my proof of that: Elastic is a success story. They gave away software for free and turned it into a $15B business. And yet there's still people like you being apologists for their outright lies and intentionally misleading statements. I find it so incredibly absurd.

Elastic is tricking you into thinking that they are not an absurdly successful business. That's not true.

Oh, and one last time: This license change doesn't even protect their business, so it's totally pointless. It's just a business blunder. The SSPL will not make a difference to Amazon because they're not going to use the SSPL version of the code. It's so simple.
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ocdtrekkie 1970 days ago
On the contrary, this is win-win for everyone: Amazon now has to make their fork competitive with Elastic's, so they'll have to invest more resources in open source development. Elastic is also still free to grab their Apache-licensed improvements.

Meanwhile, if Elastic's future improvements are better than AWS', it'll drive use of their services over Amazon's.

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paulryanrogers 1969 days ago
> if Elastic's future improvements are better than AWS', it'll drive use of their services over Amazon's.

Except Amazon has a moat: no egress fees and network effects. AWS is starting the race way ahead.

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__blockcipher__ 1969 days ago
Elastic doesn't need to make more money than Amazon. They just need to be able to make enough to have a healthy business, and so far they've achieved that. $500MM yearly revenue with 40+% growth is nothing to scoff at.

It really seems like Elastic's motivation here is jealousy more than anything else. Which I understand from an emotional perspective, but from a logical perspective it's a big business blunder they've made IMO.

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__blockcipher__ 1969 days ago
I totally agree, I think this is great for the community because the writing was on the wall ever since the initial X-pack source-available drama as well as the original OpenDistro drama.

I think this will be better for all involved.

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