[missedthecue]

But endless growth isn't the goal. Endless improvements in efficiency are, and those improvements are infinitely available in practical terms.

For instance, we have less of that precious Iowan topsoil than we did 100 years ago, but our yields are higher than ever. No endless growth required, but it has made us all better off.

[jjj123]

Well endless growth is the goal in capitalism at the level of a publicly traded corporation, but I get what you’re saying that it can actually lead to beneficial impacts if that’s more efficient.

However, I think short term monetary efficiency and long term sustainability are not always going to align.

Is it possible there’s an alternative where we aren’t beholden to the whims of a heavily manipulated market to solve our problems? Where we can address an issue head on instead of waiting until the fix is more efficient than the problem?