[rjvir]

Looks like "vimtutor" is primarily text explaining the hotkeys.

For me, the bottleneck to picking up vim has not been merely knowing the hotkeys, but more internalizing the commands and building muscle memory.

The interactive game format of this website could possibly solve that, so it appeals to me.

[baconsteakey]

It says this in the 3rd or 4th paragraph:

> It is important to remember that this tutor is set up to teach by use. That means that you need to execute the commands to learn them properly. If you only read the text, you will forget the commands!

And it's free, not 15 USD or whatever this site is charging.

[ketzo]

Okay... but the difference between a piece of text just telling me to use the commands so I remember them versus an interactive trainer that provides a structured setting for me to use them is pretty significant, no?

[boogies]

> a structured setting for me to use them

is provided by vimtutor. I wish people would take a couple hundred milliseconds to research things like this before posting about them — most [GNU’s Not] Unix commands take less time to run than a webpage takes to load, and installing their packages takes no more typing than a web search.

[reitanqild]

> I wish people would take a couple hundred milliseconds to research things like this before posting about them

Have tried vimtutor twice. It is seriously confusing if you don't use US keyboard layout and there are probably a couple of other sources of confusion as well.

I did well at school, I do well at work but not so well at vimtutor.

So I think I'm kind of qualified to say that there's room for other resources besides vimtutor.

Also the way you write it is kind of rude.

[psdhn]

I don't see anything on this site saying that it accommodates any non us qwerty keyboard layouts. Does it?

Also vimtutor requires you to actually use the commands on the document. I don't think there is a single key press it doesn't explicitly tell you to press.

Maybe do a quick run through so you can give an example of a place that is confusing?

[mumblemumble]

In a really minimalist way. I've been in the process of trying to hone my vim skills, and I've been through vimtutor more than once. About the only things I can say for it is that it's free and it works in a text terminal. This online course is promising, and I'm probably going to sign up. It's salient. Salient is good. Salience promotes faster, deeper learning.

[jack_pp]

vimtutor is interactive. It's a text file that tells you what to do inside itself, so you modify vimtutor directly.. you would've known this if you had spent 10 minutes trying it out.

[ansible]

Back in the day, playing /usr/games/hunt against other people would hone your VI movement keys muscle memory rather quickly.

On the multiuser Unix systems at Purdue, it was typical to have at least half a dozen people on the server, with explosions going off like fireworks. We ran the mod where you could collect 200 ammunition for the nuke, which would destroy a third of the screen.

https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-current/man6/hunt.6

We also had Larry Wall's (yes, that one) video game Warp, which was a lot more action-oriented than the original Star Trek video game. It also used the same hjkl movement keys.

http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/misc/unixarchive/PDP-11/Trees/...

And of course there was Rogue and Nethack, but those are a lot better remembered these days.

[pksebben]

vimtutor is designed for you to use it regularly to train muscle memory

[D2187645]

Vimtutor is free so you are the product.

[Maha-pudma]

So is Vim