[platz]

I'm not sure what the point you're driving at is; it seems you did understand the gist of my point.

It seems like you want a semantics debate about how neocons and neolibs are are equivalent terms? Sorry, not the conversation for me, nor the main point I was making.

[flagrant]

I think what he's driving at is that your point relies on the assumption that neoliberalism is left wing, when this is not true.

[rusk]

To be honest all I think I was really driving at is that he sets the tone in the first sentence that he’s uninformed about what he’s talking about. I kind of get the impression also that he’s trying to be divisive rather than understand the issues at hand. I kind of feel he goes against the hacker ethic on both points ...

[platz]

> your point relies on the assumption that neoliberalism is left wing, when this is not true

I didn't say that all neoliberals were left wing.

I said that there were some people on the the left that were neoliberals.

Please understand this difference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism#United_States

> Early roots of neoliberalism were laid in the 1970s during the Carter administration, with deregulation of the trucking, banking and airline industries,[144][145][146] as well as the appointment of Paul Volcker to chairman of the Federal Reserve.[21]:5

> During the 1990s, the Clinton administration also embraced neoliberalism[130] by supporting the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), continuing the deregulation of the financial sector through passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act and the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act and implementing cuts to the welfare state through passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act.[147][149][150]

You seem to presuppose your claims are de-facto correct; I don't think that is true.

[rusk]

Nope, sorry, not convinced. There’s something askew in your outlook and I think it’s affecting your ability to make your point. I’d suggest reevaluating your fundamentals and going from there. Take care brother

[platz]

Feel free to respond with reasons for your claims, thanks and take care

[Gibbon1]

The answer is the left has a long history of opposing globalization, union breaking and neoliberalism in general. In particular the left attacks on centrist democrats embrace of neoliberalism has be vicious. They were the reason why Obama won the primary over Clinton in 2008. And why Sanders showed well in 2016 even though Clinton won. And Clinton despises the left for it.

See the 1999 Seattle WTO protests as an example of the left opposing neoliberalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seattle_WTO_protests

[yrimaxi]

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[platz]

> Deregulation, cuts to welfare, NAFTA. Again, you fail to demonstrate the left point.

"No true Scotsman"

[rusk]

You didn’t make it very well it seems.

[yrimaxi]

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[platz]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25850671