[pwdisswordfish5]

This comment is playing fast and loose with the facts. No part of Oracle's suit against Google relied on the claim that "Java wasn't open-source at the time Google copied it" (for good reason).

> they are really bad at shepharding, just look at the state of android java vs openjdk

This has nothing to do with copyright law―the thing that Google was sued for. There is no legal argument in this remark (which is the problem with about half the comments that appear saying that Google was in the wrong), just an assertion based on an appeal to emotion that Google deserved to be sued, and then working backwards from there to present a half-formed argument.

[kaba0]

> No part of Oracle's suit against Google relied on the claim that "Java wasn't open-source at the time Google copied it"

It had a specific license explicitly disallowing mobile use. Everything else is irrelevant - google knowingly broke the license, didn’t they? This is copyright infringement. As for whether their copy of Java’s API at the time could constitute fair use and thus not subject to copyright law is up to debate and my personal opinion doesn’t matter on it.

[UncleEntity]

> It had a specific license explicitly disallowing mobile use. Everything else is irrelevant...

The Java Specification explicitly allows people to re-implement the Java Language as long as they follow a few guidelines (which google allegedly did not, hence the lawsuit) -- even if they decide to target a mobile platform.

[pwdisswordfish5]

This is a perplexing response. Oracle's case against Google is about copyright infringement. On that point, you are correct, but that's where your comments part from reality.

Oracle in its case against Google is not arguing that "Java wasn't open-source at the time Google copied it". Oracle in its case against Google is not arguing that there was "a specific license explicitly disallowing mobile use". You on the other hand are arguing these things. That's where the problem lies: you're asserting infringement based on two fact claims that don't even match what Oracle's legal team presented to the courts.

(For that reason, your remark that "Everything else is irrelevant" is just bizarre and ironic—it's your comments here that are irrelevant... _None_ of the things you're saying are what the case is actually about.)

Here are some simple questions: to what extent does your knowledge of Oracle v. Google originate from secondary analysis and commentary about the case vs. direct knowledge (e.g. the briefs and testimony provided by Oracle and those who testified)? Do you have any firsthand experience reviewing the material that was presented in/to the courts? This is the problem with Internet peanut galleries. The answer to the last question can be solid "no", and yet commenters are undeterred from spewing nonsense from their gut that has no basis in reality.

[kaba0]

About your last paragraph, I did try to get as close to primary sources as possible, without digging into the actual briefs, and I am no lawyer, so my understanding on these topics have a shaky foundation.

But if you have done so, at least you as a presumably secondhand information source, could you give me a rebuttal on why am I wrong?

[pwdisswordfish5]

Just like your last message[1], the answer is "but why male models?" (in other words, I just answered that[2]; do you want me to repeat it[3] or something?)

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25847574

2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25846415

3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25848980