[heshiebee]

I’m not sure where all this hate on parler is coming from.

While Twitter allowed the trending of #AssassinateTrump and #killtrump plus all the violence and destruction orchestrated on Twitter during the BLM protests on hundreds of small businesses in America where far more damage and fatalities occurred then the capital riots and big tech especially Apple, Amazon and Facebook were quite about.

This is a collaboration against conservatives and the greatest form of censorship America has ever experienced. This is how democracy dies.

[AWildC182]

> far more damage and fatalities

Name the fatalities from BLM activities.

[PixyMisa]

How many do you want? Because there have been dozens of murders, even entirely setting aside accidental and incidental deaths.

[AWildC182]

The official number for 2020 appears to be 25 (not including last week), however conservatives seem very interested in representing this as a list of "people BLM murdered" when it's really a list of all deaths due to political violence. It includes people who were killed by police, individuals murdered by far right individuals, and that one guy shot by a left wing extremist at a protest.

[neartheplain]

individuals murdered by far right individuals

During the summer’s BLM activities? Name one.

[fabbari]

  I'll give you one: David Patrick Underwood, May 29th. But that's not the point. 

  The point is: even if you count all of the deaths related to all the events around BLM protests - 19 [1] - these were over 7 months of protests, across the country, against the violence that black people see every day impacting their lives perpetrated by the people tasked to enforce the law and ensure security. On the other side you have 5 deaths in a few hours during a protest - supported by the sitting President - against the results of free and fair elections that they just didn't happen to like.

  These are not the same - by any stretch of the imagination. 

[0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/santa-cruz-deputys-al... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur...

[SauciestGNU]

Two people were murdered by Kyle Rittenhouse, a boogaloo adherent murdered a courthouse guard in California. There's three.

[neartheplain]

I'm particularly well-read on the Rittenhouse case. I've seen all the livestreams and tracked new developments as the case approaches trial. My impression of the case clearly differs from yours. I will outline my view and the evidence behind it:

Kyle Rittenhouse is not far-right or a "Boogaloo adherent." There is no evidence to back those claims. These claims were made early on with zero proof by US Congresswomen Ayanna Pressley [0], then widely repeated as truth. In actual fact, he's a teenage Republican and former Public Safety Cadet [1].

He acted in self-defense. Extensive video evidence and witness testimony proves this [2]. I'll be surprised if the jury returns a guilty verdict. If you disagree, I'd ask that you review his legal team's video [2] which lays forth most of the evidence in Kyle's favor. Their analysis aligns with and augments that done by the New York Times' Visual Investigations team [3].

The assembled evidence is clear, compelling, and exonerates Rittenhouse. A deep-dive convinced progressive columnist Eric Zorn at the Baltimore Sun of Kyle's innocence [4]. Few of those writing about the case on Twitter and in print have immersed themselves in the evidence this way.

As to the California Boogaloo guy, Steven Carrillo: sure, you could call the him far-right. He wasn't a fan of police, Donald Trump, or the Republican Party, per crime scene graffiti and his social media [5]. The Boogaloo movement in general is not ideologically consistent, or consistently far-right, as outlined by GWU professor and extremism researcher JJ MacNab [6]. But to your point, he wasn't part of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Carrillo and his accomplice murdered 2 victims. That leaves a significant number of deaths for which the violent elements of BLM remain responsible, and for which almost no one has been held accountable, even just in the public discourse. The tension between those downplayed crimes and the media spotlight on unruly conservatives has stoked anger among many on the right.

[0] https://twitter.com/ayannapressley/status/129878054043122483...

[1] https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/report-kenosha-shooting...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I&t=45s

[3] https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809

[4] https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-r...

[5] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-deputy-ambu...

[6] https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1266767564627034121

[plugger]

> 5 in one event?

[neartheplain]

Partial list:

David Dorn [0], Lorenzo Anderson [1], Antonio Mays Jr. [2], Barry Perkins [3], Chris Beaty [4], Marquis M. Tousant [5], Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. [6], Jessica Doty Whitaker [7], Italia Marie Kelly [8].

Regular shootings and killings also spiked this summer in cities with significant BLM activity [9][10][11]. In the midst of protests and looting in Chicago, that city saw 18 murders within a 24-hour period, its deadliest single day in six decades [12].

These figures exclude excess “deaths of despair” such as from suicide, alcoholism and drug overdose that may result from the $2 billion in economic damage done mostly to private businesses [13].

[0] https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/retired-police-captain-k...

[1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/teen-who-died-in-c...

[2] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/everybody-down-wha...

[3] https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/protester-run-over-k...

[4] https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2020/...

[5] https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-court...

[6] https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/10/21/authorit...

[7] https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-shot-killed-argumen...

[8] https://apnews.com/article/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3

[9] https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/portland-sees-spike...

[10] https://www.wsbtv.com/news/2-investigates/atlanta-police-act...

[11] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/minneapolis-police-s...

[12] https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago...

[13] https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-se...

[_-david-_]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_d...

[AWildC182]

I suspect you mean:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur...

...which is a list of all deaths surrounding the events. There are only a few that actually fall within the bounds of the question:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremac...

[mhh__]

I'll believe you if you can find BLM people running around the centre of American Democracy looking for scalps.

> This is a collaboration against conservatives and the greatest form of censorship America has ever experienced. This is how democracy dies.

The US Electoral system is measurably biased towards conservatives, get some perspective.

[threeseed]

1. 99.9% of posts about #KillTrump are from conservatives complaining about the keyword. And even back when it was trending at no point was there a specific threat. Whereas Trump and Guiliani were in DC, in front of the Capitol building and directly inciting the attendees. That's the difference.

2. Plenty of conservatives right now on Twitter, Facebook etc. In fact most of them became well-known through those services. Just those who have continued to incite people have been banned (after having been warned on multiple ocassions).