[floren]

> IIRC that took a Matrix-style war that humanity just barely won

Only in the terrible prequels written by Frank Herbert's idiot son, who decided that a rejection of machines replacing humans = literal Terminators.

One of the more interesting things about the Butlerian Jihad is that in the end, without thinking machines, they instead turned humans into machines.

[lstodd]

> One of the more interesting things ...

Yes, and this is often overlooked.

The question if we should turn machines into humans or vice versa, and that there is no third option.

[bsanr2]

The third option is coexistence, though this too is something writers seem to be bearish on (Egan's Diaspora gives it a bit of consideration before simply killing off most organic life with a gamma ray burst, which I found somewhat cynical and or even spiteful, given the timing).