[goatlover]

> If the goal of Julia is to replace R/Python then their priorities feel way off the mark

There's a lot more to scientific computing than wrangling tabular data. Julia is competing in that overall space with R/Python/Fortran/Java/C++. If R or Pandas is better at data wrangling, then Julia won't win out there. But so be it. No PL is best at everything.

[laplacesdemon48]

> There's a lot more to scientific computing than wrangling tabular data.

Also a point that gets ignored way too often. My original post differentiated between time spent writing models and time spent data wrangling.

I would never even attempt to write a symplectic integrator in base R (OK maybe Rcpp would be fine but that's not really "R"). Julia, by design, is better at that. But the R ecosystem is so good that I can use the best practical implementation of a symplectic integrator to solve common modeling problems via RStan.

Yes, Stan is a standalone framework that can be accessed from Julia as well. But the following workflow can be done in R much easier:

  1) Read in badly formatted CSV data
  2) Wrangle the data into a useable form
  3) Do some basic exploratory analysis (including plots)
  4) Write several models in brms/raw Stan (via rstan)
  5) Simulate from the priors and reset them to more sensible values
  6) Run the model over the data to generate the posterior
  7) Plot/run posterior predictive checks, counterfactual analysis, outlier analysis (PSIS or WAIC), etc.

Again, the above represents my common use case. I fully appreciate that people use Julia to do awesome stuff like "the exploration of chaos and nonlinear dynamics." [0]. I understand that the modern R ecosystem isn't really built for this.

[0] https://juliadynamics.github.io/DynamicalSystems.jl/latest/

[ryndbfsrw]

Totally agree there. It is not a replacement and it is trying to solve a different problem. I dont believe Julia contributers are lying awake at night upset that other languages exist and feel they need to put a stop to that. My point (put across clumsily I see) is that IF that was their goal then they are going about it the wrong way as most R/Python users have different priorities. But it is a moot point as that would be an absurd motivation to create a whole new language