[syshum]

>>It happens in Ireland

hmm

>>They are generally unarmed raids

So then does not happen all the time in Ireland

You should really look into how the US conducts "raids" even when there is no "gangland" case involved.

They have one procedure for all raids, and it very militaristic, they are always armed, and it is ALWAYS excessive and violent.

What you are calling a "raid" in Ireland would not be what we in the US called a Raid which is very specific activity of police

[overscore]

Different threat models, but a raid is a raid.

Just like an arrest is an arrest, even though in the US it will necessarily involve firearms and in Ireland, it almost never will.

[mdoms]

> a raid is a raid

Nonsense. There's a world of difference between a couple of cops knocking on your door and a full squad of fully armed, fully armoured militarised faux-soldiers busting down your door and threatening to shoot you, your family and your pets - and often following through on those threats.

[overscore]

You are moving the goal posts.

Police knocking on your door is not a raid - the element of surprise is the defining factor, from the US to anywhere in Europe to an infantry section in Kandahar.

You claim above that raids are unique to the US and its abnormal police, but now the claim has morphed into the manner in which they are conducted that's different.

Even in Ireland, where police are routinely unarmed and gun crime is rare, if there's a reasonable suspicion that a suspect may have firearms, a police raid will involve nearly identical weapons and equipment to a US SWAT team.

I think you have an unrealistic view of policing outside of the US. There are no police forces that do not conduct raids.

The militarisation of police is separate problem, and the solution is not going to involve removing the tactics that the so-called normal police forces rely on.

[mdoms]

> I think you have an unrealistic view of policing outside of the US.

I live outside the US, dipshit.