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by waheoo 1977 days ago
That's a bit myopic. You can strike a balance.

You're argument is the same thing that led to "we should get rid of headphone jacks because we have Bluetooth."

Bluetooth is an option, its not the best option, but I wouldn't suggest removing Bluetooth because we have a headphone jack.
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chrisseaton 1977 days ago
> You're argument is the same thing that led to "we should get rid of headphone jacks because we have Bluetooth."

I mean... yeah it's the same argument and I agree with both. When we got Bluetooth and decent ear pods... time to get rid of the headphone jack we don't want both, one is redundant. Simpler, cleaner, more uniform is better for these devices in my opinion.

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pushrax 1977 days ago
Wireless headphones are an e-waste nightmare (in particular Airpods, designed to never be disassembled). When used with a mobile phone, their convenience is incredibly minor, and for me is more than offset by the need to keep them charged.

I agree with getting rid of dying interfaces, but this is a case where it makes way more sense to keep options available. Almost everyone uses audio, and different people have different priorities. Waterproofing the jack is easy, and phones still have enough space for them. The only way I can interpret their decision to remove that jack was to incentivize wireless headphone sales, and perhaps appeal to the small ultra minimalist crowd.

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chrisseaton 1977 days ago
Does the fact that there's a tiny and cheap dongle not make it all ok? You can keep using whatever devices you want if you've got some special use-case. Just pop the dongle in. For everyone else... we don't have to add it to the devices and we get a better device.
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pushrax 1977 days ago
Apple's 3.5mm audio dongles are honestly very well engineered and they're selling them at an uncharacteristically reasonable markup. Great DAC implementation. I use mine all the time.

I just don't believe most people think the device is better without the headphone jack. It's not a "special use-case". Deleting the jack has definitely driven some sales for wireless headphones to people who don't want to use the dongle, rather than a desire to get rid of the wire.

For some reason it's very hard to find a cheap and solid way to charge via Lightning and use wired audio at the same time. My workaround is to charge after I'm done listening. Probably good for reducing phone use, but it can be annoying on occasion.

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projektfu 1977 days ago
I'm just one data point but thanks to "courage" I hardly ever use headphones on my iPhone anymore. I never have the lightning earpods with me, and it can't use any of the random headphones I had stashed in various useful locations. Bluetooth headphones don't really fit into my life either. Thanks, Jony.
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cpcallen 1976 days ago
Can't really connect my phone to venue sound systems by Bluetooth when teaching dance classes. And wouldn't want to have to be forced to choose between a 3.5mm adaptor and a charger...

This is the main reason I'm still on Android, since the last iPhone I would even consider buying was the original SE.

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chrisseaton 1976 days ago
Do you realise that for your (extremely specialised) use-case you can get a dongle that gives you both 3.5mm and power at the same time? They're about $10.

Everyone else who doesn't need this doesn't have to pay for it by excluding it.

> This is the main reason I'm still on Android

For a $10 dongle? That's the critical decision in your mind?

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