[tln]

Vue and Svelte are both good. I'm not sure why create-react-app is a problem, but Vue can run without any scaffolding. I think it's worth just accepting that some scaffolding is needed for bundling, transpilation, etc.

There are dozens of alternatives like mithril - small in size, scope and community. You might miss a system for managing state in Mithril, as well as pre-built component libraries like Vuetify or react-bootstrap.

[MaxBarraclough]

I tried out Svelte recently. I really like the idea of a 'compiler first' framework which offers useful features that compile away to plain old lightweight JavaScript. I got on ok with the bare-bones Svelte compiler, but I found the surrounding ecosystem to be lacking.

There are two different material design libraries for Svelte. [0][1] I wasn't able to get either of them to behave. It looked like they weren't being kept up to date with Svelte, or else the documentation was inadequate.

I then gave Angular a go, and encountered no such issues. Angular has the added bonus that its material design library [2] is very mature and well polished.

[0] https://smeltejs.com/

[1] https://sveltematerialui.com/

[2] https://material.angular.io/

[Fifer82]

I know Angular seems to not be popular right now, but I am genuinely enjoying my job because of it. Maybe apart from animations, everything seems to consistently work. Even updating major versions is a mere footnote rather than a chore.

[MaxBarraclough]

> I know Angular seems to not be popular right now

In terms of being in widespread use, I believe Angular is either #1 or #2 (competing against React). It's certainly not a 'cool' choice, it's a boring and stable choice, but there's a lot of value in that.