[shoguning]

> The reason excess deaths are only 3x higher is because of our precautions.

It's a hard case to make. Sweden for example has had less excess death than harsher lockdown countries like Spain & UK.

Lockdowns have done little if anything in US states. New York and Florida have similar stats (worse in NY if anything).

[scarmig]

On the other hand, it has a very high number of excess deaths compared to Norway, Denmark, Finland, which are perhaps more comparable countries.