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by jasonhoch 1975 days ago
Why do you want a gentle inbuilt mechanism to encourage consumption?
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Because if you made a better return by hoarding cash then by investing -- holding bonds, buying apartment buildings-- investment would stop and people would stuff cash into mattresses.
Is that necessarily a bad thing? Growth at the cost of everything doesn't seem to bode well long term. What would the potential consequences of an economy not based on continuous growth? Genuine question, not trying to be inflammatory.
The proceeds from whatever growth there is should go to the people involved in growing it, not uninvolved previously-wealthy bystanders. With deflationary currencies, any growth in the total amount of stuff leads to one dollar corresponding to more stuff, which is like a tax on all of the people making stuff paid to the people holding mattress money. That's the most powerful argument against the gold standard, for example. People who spend gold to do actually useful things are punished and people who pile it up are rewarded.
Yes, that's a bad thing.

This is the primary mechanism that has stagnated Japan's economy since their asset bubble burst in the 80's.

If you want to start a business you need investment and customers. You will get neither if everyone is hoarding cash. Investors will not stomach your risk when they can just safely sit on their balance. Customers will hesitate to buy your product because they will always expect your prices to go down the longer they wait.

It depends on the type of growth. Growth through efficiency gains extends the productivity runway of economies reliant on finite resource consumption.

I think consequences of a no growth economy are pretty bad. It would mean much more of the world becoming zero sum. The pie would be fixed.

And in turn pollution might decrease, frivolous consumer waste might decrease, frivolous ad waste might decrease, people might turn to crafting and making their own home goods, and feel more pride and accomplishment, and the standard of return on investment to actually draw cash out of the mattresses would be higher, rather than building in a mechanism that stresses people into giving their cash over for hollow waste, and entrenching false “market demand” narratives around the whole destructive charade.
That’s a different argument from the GP, who was justifying it on the grounds of encouraging extra consumption, not investment.
To create employment and growth.