[notatrumper]

Maybe for some people the consequences of lockdowns are more severe than for you. Aren't you all about feeling with people's predicaments?

Also I don't agree with the (common) argument that nobody should be allowed to complain about anything, because there is always somebody who has it worse, somewhere in the world.

Like with solving "first world problems" - yes, it seems frivolous to worry about getting an even better iPhone, while people are starving somewhere else. On the other hand, those people, if they can solve their immediate problems, would perhaps also enjoy having nice iPhones. So it is not inherently bad to worry about the existence of nice iPhones.

Or put differently, it can not be the only purpose of life to help people who have it worse. I mean somebody could adopt that as their philosophy, sure. But it requires people who need help, therefore it can not be a universal philosophy. If suddenly you run out of people who need help, you have lost your purpose in life again.

[chromanoid]

> Maybe for some people the consequences of lockdowns are more severe than for you. Aren't you all about feeling with people's predicaments?

Bringing up fascism to make your struggle important is never a good idea. I can feel solidarity without being reminded of really dark aspects of humanity.

> Or put differently, it can not be the only purpose of life to help people who have it worse.

I agree.

I only talk about acknowledgement. It's not that hard. Also it's simply unethical to compare first world problems with somebody starving in a concentration camp. You can do that, but it's annoying and stupid. I think it's ok to complain about stupidity of other people.

[notatrumper]

It's OK to worry about totalitarian control, as there are always groups and politicians working towards that goal. It's actually one of the lessons one should draw from remembering dark times.

Some people may worry more than others. I have read reports from therapists that they have clients from former communist countries who struggle with the lockdowns, because it reminds them or horrific things they experienced.

There are also a lot of people who have built up enourmous hatred and murderous thoughts because of Corona. Where I live, there are writings on the wall that "Covidiots should be burned" and stuff like that. It's not that far fetched to think about totalitarian regimes murdering people in that context.

[chromanoid]

> It's OK to worry about totalitarian control

I agree.

> Some people may worry more than others. I have read reports from therapists that they have clients from former communist countries who struggle with the lockdowns, because it reminds them or horrific things they experienced.

Those are probably not the people who compare themselves with Sophie Scholl on protests or something like that. They know the difference.

> It's not that far fetched to think about totalitarian regimes murdering people in that context.

Really? I think this only makes sense when you have a rosy idea about how Totalitarism looks like.

[notatrumper]

"Those are probably not the people who compare themselves with Sophie Scholl on protests or something like that. They know the difference."

Are there many of those? Here in Germany we had one case I am aware of, and while I didn't follow it closely, it seems very likely that she has some kind of mental health issue.

"Really? I think this only makes sense when you have a rosy idea about how totalitarianism looks like."

Nobody claims what we are experiencing right now feels the same as life under fascism. Just that it feels like the prelude to it.

I don't think it is far fetched at all. We've seen major changes of our way of life and people's attitude over a short amount of time, and major divide in society, driven by fear.

The hate is real - people fear for their lives and the lives of their parents, and they are ready to blame whoever comes in handy. And the hate is murderous, especially because people fear about their own lives.

I think if you enter a shop without a mask, you can well except violence from some people.

And it can get worse if people refuse to get vaccinated. Already businesses promise not to do businesses with such people anymore. How can you NOT see analogies? You could say not getting vaccinated is voluntary, being Jewish is not. Nevertheless, there are parallels. Nobody claims the exact same thing is happening.

It seems likely to me that fear for their lives was also what drove people to adopt fascism. The rosy view is to look back and think it was just stupidity or "evilness". I think people also feared for their lives. Here in Germany they had just witnessed an extremely murderous war (at a scale we can not imagine anymore), murderous insurrections, stuff like that.

[chromanoid]

Ich glaube kaum, dass Faschismus der Furcht um das eigene Leben entspringt. Faschismus wird aus Stolz, Unzufriedenheit und der Sehnsucht nach Führung und Gleichschaltung geboren. Ich bin da kein Experte, aber Faschismus ist sicher keine Frucht um das eigene Leben. Meine Urgroßeltern waren sicher zumindest zum Teil Nationalisten, Rassisten, Antisemiten und Monarchisten. Das geht sicher vielen Deutschen und vielen Europäern so. Ich glaube in so einer Atmosphäre hat Faschismus leichtes Spiel. Faschismus ist aus meiner Sicht motiviert durch eine konservative Sehnsucht nach Ordnung in einer turbulenten neuen Zeit der Republiken und demokratischen Bestrebung, die viele einfach überfordert hat.