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by proactivesvcs 1989 days ago
I'm with you now. If we all open with pronouns, it speeds up the acceptance as a societal norm.

I am not going to argue with you because I'm not sure there is much of an argument, heh, but I have a strong suspicion that if I were to have offered pronouns in the last say, 30 introductions I made in person, most of the other parties would be baffled, ask why, then may think they have to coach their language around me. I hope we'd both agree it may carry a certain stigma with it. As it happens if I walked in the door of a customer the second time and she said "Ah, the ginger menace returns!" I would laugh and tell her that she better believe it, having taken no offence. Perhaps I'm making a false equivalence here to excuse my current viewpoint?

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I mean, you've basically nailed the challenge:

> if I were to have offered pronouns in the last say, 30 introductions I made in person, most of the other parties would be baffled, ask why, then may think they have to coach their language around me.

This is exactly what we're trying to correct. And while you may (I'm assuming this is in reference to you) be able to weather the "ginger menace" remark, I'm not sure how well that translates elsewhere.

To wit: I once had a new friend call me a terrorist in a similar manner to the aforementioned "ginger menace" introduction after a few times of having met. That was the last time we spent time together.

I feel pretty odd using the phrase in quotes. Mind if I stop? I recognize it's probably not offensive to you, but I hesitate continuing to use it.

Apologies for being a bit unclear. I have red hair, which in British colloquy is known as "ginger". Some take offence to the term, others revel in it as we love our hair colour. I am firmly in the latter camp and my some of my friends adopted the nickname I once gave to myself of "ginger menace" :-)

My use of this was to show that I take no offence at someone using one of my attributes as part of my identity.

Fair, fair. A childhood friend of mine was repeatedly bullied for having red hair, so I've become particularly sensitive to it.