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by formerly_proven 1989 days ago
Diversity questions aside, some given names are ambiguous. Some names are not, but may have different (assumed) genders depending on the language. In those cases it may be helpful to add a "Mrs"/"Mr" or similar, just to save people the embarrassment of addressing a woman as a man or vice versa. And isn't a "Mr"/"Mrs" a sort of pronoun spec as well? You're saying "use the usual pronouns for females/males".
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This.

Even in the West, we have plenty of unisex names that could easily fit both men and women. E.g., "Alex", "Morgan", "Reese", "Taylor", etc.

For non-Western names, not everyone would be familiar with the cultural context behind the language's naming schemes or gender context.

Yep, in France it is recommended that if you have a non-Western name, you put "monsieur" or "madame" in front of your name on CVs, etc. to help prevent confusion on the part of potential readers.
A large question, however, is why gender is relevant on a CV...
If you're not sure, you can always just use the person's given name instead of a pronoun. This works 100% of the time, while pronouns in a signature block aren't very helpful if you're referring to someone who got CCed but has not replied to an email chain.
Often but not always. Given name is too informal in some situations. Completely avoiding pronouns can sound awkward too.
The OP mentioned the technology industry, which tends to be pretty informal. At least personally, the vast majority of my correspondence uses first names rather than honorifics. I agree that it can be a bit stilted, but it's better than awkwardly mixing up a person's gender.
They said they worked in tech. They asked about industry generally.
Follow up question, given that women have been in the workplace for 50+ years, why wasn't it an issue back then, and only presented itself now?
It was. People with ambiguous names lived with it, correcting people after the fact. So did long-haired men and short-haired women. They weren't happy about it, but didn't have a good way to fix it.

Now they do. The solution was always available, of course, but there wasn't much pressure to implement it because it was merely a nuisance. It's more than a nuisance for people whose pronouns change or whose physical appearance leads people to the wrong pronouns. So they decided to implement the solution, along with people who are sympathetic to putting for the minimal effort to help them.

Gender roles were stricter too. Business correspondence used honorifics more. People with "ethnic" names changed them to fit in.
This is fine, but here's a possible potentially technical (not political) issue that I see.

Looking at it from the practical point of view, I now have to address that person by their pronoun in the contents of the E-mail I write. So, what happens if there are several people included and some or many of them each have their own preferred pronoun. I have to thread very carefully in every part of my Email not to step on someone's toes. I mean I'm looking at this table [0] here and I imagine I have to make a look up table for everyone that uses a pronoun should I write stuff to several parties.

Is this really practical? Are there any better solutions?

0 - https://uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns

Everyone uses pronouns. He or she mostly. They sometimes. Anything else very rarely.
That's right. I use they/them. My question remains, though. True, it might be rare now, but it doesn't necessarily going to be rare in the future.
People accept they because it was an English pronoun already. They'll stop using he and she before they accept custom pronouns.
Well, my point was not about accepting or not accepting it. I have no issue with that.

My issues is that it would be hard for me personally to write an Email to several different people with different gender pronouns. I was asking if there are alternatives or maybe even similar situations in other cultures/languages that might hint to a more general solution.

It seems I was not clear enough, hence the downvotes above.

The general solution in most if not all cultures is not allowing what you're worried about. Some languages don't have pronouns. Some just have gender neutral pronouns. Some have gendered and neutral pronouns.

Some cultures have 4 or 5 genders. But their systems wouldn't work in English speaking cultures where trans men and women identify as just men and women.