[NationalPark]

I think we can pretty summarily dismiss all of this with, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Given that every inch of the developed world is now covered with high resolution cameras, and UFO sightings via these devices have suspiciously not exploded in number, it's pretty clear that these reports were misidentifications, lies, and counterintelligence operations.

Would it be cool if aliens were hanging out with us? Probably. Is it happening? Almost certainly not.

[shiftpgdn]

I challenge you to take one of these high resolution cameras and take a photo of the moon. Then take one and take a photo of a jetliner where the make of the jet is comprehensible.

Yes we all carry around cameras but the sensor and lens sizes are all so small they are next to useless at night without a huge helping hand of ML based photo retouching or similar.

[techdragon]

And the finest in government scan-of-a-photocopy-of-a-photocopy documents such as the COMSECNAVGRU one definitely don’t count as extra-ordinary evidence... heck some of the documents are barely legible evidence at best!

[Pyramus]

You are confusing two crucial things: UFOs doesn't mean aliens, it's simply unidentified objects. Unless you really do want to speculate about aliens ...

> "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

The evidence gathered by David Fraser et al. is actually quite compelling. Definitly there seem to be natural phenomena that can't be explained by our current scientific understanding.

[deeeeplearning]

It's really not, its almost completely eyewitness based and regardless of their "expertise," eyewitnesses are almost completely worthless and certainly do not qualify as "compelling evidence" in the arena of Science.

[King-Aaron]

> almost completely eyewitness

There was positive radar and flir data, along with multiple witnesses from their air group. Not 'almost completely eyewitness' accounts, which makes their observations rather compelling.

My moneys on some actor - US or another state - having some kind of exotic aircraft that aren't on the books.

[deeeeplearning]

>There was positive radar and flir data

Not sufficient it could easily be a flock of birds or something mundane.