[INTPenis]

Just a wild stab in the dark here but those redactions might have to do with SIGINT. Or in other words, how the UFO report came to be.

Because when I saw this headline "NSA UFO Documents Index" hosted on nsa.gov, I realized why I don't care about UFO theories. Because even the NSA has given up. No sane person cares about this stuff. They will readily index it on their website to shut those lunatics up.

[jjtheblunt]

Agreed; that said, there's an Ancient Aliens tv series that acts serious but, I think, is mostly recognized for being hilarious...so frivolous I've actually watched it because it's just so laughable.

[smolder]

There are people out there vulnerable to the BS due to ignorance that could be shown how to apply skepticism, or taught more about science/history, but the bullshit is just as prominent and available, or more so. Your peers may be the right combination of smart and knowledgeable to be immune, but it's best not to assume that it's harmless in general to broadcast ancient aliens style junk.

[FillardMillmore]

I was on my honeymoon with my fiancee and at the end of the night, we liked to relax by opening a bottle of champagne and watching Ancient Aliens. Don't get me wrong, both of us believe in the possibility of life in outer space but that show was funnier than most modern sitcoms.

Heck, even Monster Quest was more believable.

[ghostbrainalpha]

I don't know how you can't at least find this document interesting. It's a first hand account of what was basically a dogfight between a US pilot and a UFO over Iran.

https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/documents/news-features/decla...

Even if you assume that whatever he encountered was made on Earth, its hard not to have questions or be interested in the account.

[INTPenis]

That's an excellent example. Thanks for finding it.

I'd rather believe this was a combination of natural phenomenon and instrumentation failure than an alien visiting us from far far away.

After reading the text that doubt is definitely still strong.

It starts with conflicting reports from people on the ground.

They are never able to identify what it was.

And also the text reads as if it was written by a "believer" if you know what I mean.

Take this for example; WHEN THE 'F?4' TURNED FROM THE OBJECT AND APPARENTLY WAS NO LONGER A THREAT TO IT THE AIRCRAFT REGAINED ALL INSTRUMENTATION

That to me reads like someone who has watched too many scifi movies.

And the report goes on to say that a 2nd object came out of the original object and was estimated to be "half to one third the apparent size of the moon". wtf?

This whole report makes me question the sanity of everyone involved. And since it's now declassified why won't any of the at least 5 airmen involved step forwards?

And besides all that, what motive would these aliens have to come here and fly around with their light shows once a decade?

[ikrenji]

the report is from over 40 years ago and all the involved are iranian personnel, not american ~ i wouldn't expect any of them to come forward if they are still alive...

there is no natural phenomenon that fits the description. one passage says that the UFO landed and illuminated land around it in a 2-3km radius. there was a radar return, multiple aircraft involved etc.

im not saying its 100% aliens, but im pretty sure its also not swamp gas / weather balloon.

[INTPenis]

They would be old, which is a perfect time to come forwards.

Anyways, I'm not saying I can identify which natural phenomenon it is, I'm just using the process of elimination.

Because let's assume this was a sentient thing, at least sentient enough to know that these aircraft posed a danger to it.

Well that's where the paradox starts because this thing apparently has the ability to disable the instrumentation of a fighter jet with such precision that it does not damage the aircraft, it does not damage the aviators and it can be restored after leaving its sphere of influence.

So one must ask, why would an object with such power be afraid of these aircraft?

So you might say, "it's merely an effect of being near the object, not a deployed capability against these aircraft".

Ok fine but that's a very specific non-conscious effect to be flying around inside Iranian airspace with. If this particular object has that effect then why don't all UFOs disable all instrumentation in a sphere around them all the time?

How come only these particular planes that were heading towards it, like in a movie or a novel.

[ikrenji]

i wouldn't think they would be afraid of human aircrafts...

I'm pretty sure they would be able to identify threatening aircraft from non threatening, humans can do this too.

as for their motivations of floating around random places around earth ~ could be literally anything

[INTPenis]

That's a very human centric view though. If we see them as balls of multi-colored light then what makes you think they can even grasp what an aircraft is, let alone radio signals.

Sure they might have been studying us for centuries, and that's how they can disable our instrumentation precisely without damaging anything. But then again that raises the question, why? Why even let us detect them in the first place if they have no message to send.

And if they have a message to send, how come they have complete control of our technology but can't convey their message?

Nothing adds up here.

To me as a skeptic the only common factor is human imagination.

[marc_io]

> This whole report makes me question the sanity of everyone involved.

It's very unlikely that a highly trained professional military pilot, which operates a incredibly sophisticated machine costing millions of dollars, suffers from mental issues.

[INTPenis]

You're implying that training will somehow negate mental issues?

What if this incident was the time they were revealed?

Dangerous assuming that just because someone has trained and has perfect eyesight they're mentally stable. Always expect the unexpected, or you will be sorry.

This was during the gulf war too. Who knows what horrors this person had lived through, or heard of. Also who knows the strength of their beliefs.

Would you say belief in a God and all the things in the bible are as strange as a belief in Aliens? Because a lot of trained military people believe in God.

Statistically any person could have a religious experience at any time.

That's how I view "alien encounters", a combination of belief, mass hysteria and external phenomenon. Our culture has sort of set us up for it.

[jolincost]

I liked your take on the redactions (and your crazy ass username, hehe). But, we're not lunatics, tho maybe your are for living in a fantasy of denial rather than facing the reality of the huge amounts of data on this. It seems crazier these days to deny the realities suggested by the Himalayas of reports and testimony. And this new index, well, it doesn't seem to be shutting anyone up now, tho, does it, hmm?

[Abishek_Muthian]

I agree, Countries were even reluctant disclose whether MH370 was registered on their military radar in order to not reveal their capabilities.

[specialist]

> ...to shut those lunatics up.

Does that work?

One of my brothers thinks the world is 6,000 years old and intelligent design and so forth. I still have no idea how to respond, because he feels I have to learn this truth too, if at all.