[danShumway]

Right. And Rachelbythebay is way more technically inclined than most users; if she wasn't able to correctly apply the blame to Apple, then normal users are definitely not going to be able to do that. Developers need to be more up-front about why these issues exist, we need an education push.

For all the criticism about how Fortnight framed its issues on iOS (and some of that criticism was warranted), coming out of the gate strong with a consistent message that Apple was to blame was likely the only way to get any 'normal' user to even consider that there were multiple issues and viewpoints at play. There's no such thing as subtlety or nuance when you're trying to talk to that demographic about why their phone/desktop doesn't do the thing they want it to do.

In the long term, I don't know. On one hand, these issues do affect final users, but communicating with final Mac users is difficult.

But on the other hand, Wireguard isn't going away, it's a clearly better protocol. So right now, final Mac users assume it's the devs' fault. But are they going to assume that when literally everyone around them has decent VPN clients and their Mac experience is just miserable? Mac users aren't completely isolated from the Linux/Windows world, at some point they're going to realize the pattern if all of the software on their platform is just worse.

[JumpCrisscross]

> if she wasn't able to correctly apply the blame to Apple, then normal users are definitely not going to be able to do that

This isn’t a moral judgement. I apply the blame to Apple. But I also choose to keep using their product. Their products are less dispensable to me than another VPN protocol.

[danShumway]

> But I also choose to keep using their product.

I think the issue is less people who understand the tradeoffs and decide that the Mac platform is still worth using -- it's people who do not understand that there is a tradeoff at all, or who think that the root cause of all of this is just the developers being lazy.

If you're aware of the reason why Wireguard can't do updates while it's running, and you say, "that's fine, I still want to use it on Mac", that's a very different reaction than saying, "the devs don't know what they're doing."

I suspect that average nontechnical users are currently in the latter category rather than the former, but I could be wrong.

[acct776]

People have been choosing usability over security forever - don't be ashamed.