[fluffy87]

The US was and probably still is doing the same thing as China with its domestic surveillance programs. They just have a better marketing / PR department about it. But don’t be mistaken, if you speak against this in the US, you’ll commit suicide, or spend the rest of your life in prison or in exile as a traitor.

[hker]

> They just have a better marketing / PR department about it.

The fact that opposing views could be brought into public discourse, not silenced or censored in QQ or Weibo, makes a huge difference.

It is not just marketing or PR. It is allowing the civil society to take part in public discourse, much like the recent debate on censoring Donald Trump.

> if you speak against this in the US, you’ll commit suicide

Not to the same extent in China, far from it.

[bmitc]

Donal Trump was not censored. He violated policy.

[esyir]

Sure, the Uighurs are just violating China's policy too.

[bmitc]

That is completely unrelated.

[scsilver]

Give one example please.

[stjohnswarts]

No you won't, I've been a loud mouth libertarian (little L) my entire life, I'm still here many years later, I even check my FBI profile every 5 years or so, it's rather dull. US is little league surveillance vs China in terms of consequences. Even Jack Ma couldn't escape their hammer.