[charlesu]

> The way to combat mistaken beliefs is to allow them to voice their views, then refute their arguments, not to call them liars and suppress their views. And even if they do not accept the refutation, the arguments should be left up for people to read and make their informed choice.

I don’t think this a good approach.

It takes real effort to refute a bad faith untruthful claim, but just it takes a single breath of air to make one. Lies scale better than the truth. And the people making bad faith arguments know this.

Maybe ridicule isn’t the answer but it’s something more than just facts and truth. Perhaps shame?

[tpoacher]

Yes but this is true for any side, no? It would be a bit haughty to claim "the lies of others vs our truths".

Lies will always exist because they work. But at the end of the day, either there is the possibility for earnest discussion as well, or there isn't. You cannot fix what you cannot talk about.