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by newacct583 1988 days ago
> because the perpetrators point out "they wouldn't censor us if it wasn't true!"

Where did they point that out, if they were censored? Seems like (and this is not nearly as ironic as it sounds) we need better/smarter censorship, not less.

The fundamental disease here isn't the propagation of incorrect facts, it's the evolution of communities where alternative facts become accepted canon. Once you have everyone's eyeballs on the same stories that they share again and again, then it doesn't really matter whether they're true or not.

So the same people that believe that covid-19 started in a lab believe that masks don't work, and climate science is bunk, and the election was stolen, and that Mueller is secretly working with Q, etc...

And that really does strike me as a cycle that can be broken. But yes, it requires control way up at the platform level to decide what can be shared. Real truth is real. Experts exist. And those experts should, yes, decide what gets published on mass forums. And in the world of just a few decades back that wasn't a controversial idea.

But ultimately it's all about norms. Because if there are entities (like a lot of folks here, sadly) who for cynical reasons really want some of that garbage to be shared, they'll always be able to break this by screaming "censorship". Which is what's happening now.

At the end of the day we have a group of people who came to power based on lies, trying to retain that power by suppressing all attempts to control those lies.

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And when the government has those new censorship systems good enough to decide which facts are the incorrect ones, they will act with restraint? The Cia will never inflict a trump on another country, out of their sense of morality? I would rather such things not exist.
I was talking about norms, not government action, FWIW. That's exactly what we used to have. There have been nutjob conspiracy theories throughout history, but what we used to have is expert consensus that told it was wrong. Somewhere along the line the experts (largely, but not exclusively, picked by the media) got neutered by the social media bubbles.

Again, there isn't any actual censorship happening. If you're a conservative you can say whatever you want about any conservative policy you want on any platform you want. The only people having trouble right now are the ones who want to talk about violent overthrow of the government.