[pampa]

And he is right. If you want e2e use signal, threema, or OTR/OMEMO.

The majority of telegram users want convenient messaging, group chats, news channels and voice group calls. Think slack with a fast native app.

[scubbo]

> news channels

I love getting glimpses of how other people use certain apps. I can't imagine _wanting_ news in my messaging app - that's what my news app is for! Very valuable reminder that our own perspective is not always widespread.

[ffpip]

Even I hated those things in my messenger app.

Until this happened https://instantview.telegram.org/

Instant View is so fast (and private) i'm never reading articles any other way.

[rajinikantham]

If you're interested in these, you should take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat#Features !

[jtsiskin]

Wow that’s... everything?

[t-writescode]

I mostly see the news feed tool used for art.

[rhn_mk1]

Does wanting any of this automatically mean wanting e2e is wrong or invalid?

[alwaysdoit]

No, but it's automatically the right tradeoff for everyone.

Security measures are always a tradeoff between convenience and security. Not everyone's tradeoffs work out evenly. Sometimes backups are a more important risk to mitigate than government surveillance.

[rhn_mk1]

> it's automatically the right tradeoff for everyone

That can be only true if there is no tradeoff. A tradeoff by definition is a situation where the optimum depends on individual preferences.

[solstice]

The only thing missing from signal among the things you listed is news, no?